[Albion] Josh Duffus, reported interest from Marseille and others

[GT49er]

Odel Offiah did well, but not enough to ever step up, but should make a tidy profit. Doyle was good but didn’t seem to fit at all at Exeter manager didn’t fancy him? Then ended up at a dogshit Crawley side.

Doyle initially went to Exeter for experience, yes, but mostly as cover for an injured striker who recovered much quicker than expected. If only we could have a few like that, eh?

 

[GT49er]

Even Kami Doyle and Odel Offiah?

Didn't fit the agenda?

 

[jackalbion]

Well, obviously not very closely. Championship loans mostly not great. Below that, Offiah runner up for POTS at Blackpool, Caylan Vickers pretty decent half season at Mansfield.

Well considering I’ve been to games of those sides specifically to watch them, yes I have.

Offiah like I said fine for Blackpool, but no future here, Caylan Vickers had a few decent appearances but absolutely nothing to suggest he will move up to the championship. Considering a few years ago we had the likes of Ben White and Steven Alzate who made a big impact. Doyle about the only success, and that was in the very back end of a doomed Crawley season.

Didn't fit the agenda?

I don’t have any agenda. Offiah is unlikely to make an impact on this team. Especially with the amount of right back options we have.

 

[AZ Gull]

I wonder if he thought to himself watching Jack Hinsh playing up front and scoring 2 goals, that could have been me?

Well, if he did, he could have got his pen out.....

 

[albionalex]

Probably the player, but IMO a lot of our domestic loans over the last season or two have been quite crap. Players often going to clubs where they get minimal game time or chaotic environments with very little consistency on manager.

Could that be because they turn out to be not very good?

I remember when were in L1 we used to get some real dross on loan from Prem/Championship clubs who only ever played a few games and then were shipped back.

 

[GT49er]

Well considering I’ve been to games of those sides specifically to watch them, yes I have.

Offiah like I said fine for Blackpool, but no future here, Caylan Vickers had a few decent appearances but absolutely nothing to suggest he will move up to the championship. Considering a few years ago we had the likes of Ben White and Steven Alzate who made a big impact. Doyle about the only success, and that was in the very back end of a doomed Crawley season.


I don’t have any agenda. Offiah is unlikely to make an impact on this team. Especially with the amount of right back options we have.

Tasker might - repeat might - have suddenly moved ahead of him. Spend two years looking for a RB and then two come along at once ..... a bit of a bugger, innit?

 

[jackalbion]

Could that be because they turn out to be not very good?

I remember when were in L1 we used to get some real dross on loan from Prem/Championship clubs who only ever played a few games and then were shipped back.

Yes I think there is an element of that, but also some have been very badly organised moves (Cam Peupion to Cheltenham for example).

 

[albionalex]

Yes I think there is an element of that, but also some have been very badly organised moves (Cam Peupion to Cheltenham for example).

I take your point but maybe not the best example, as he really is crap

 

[pigmanovich]

Odel Offiah did well, but not enough to ever step up, but should make a tidy profit. Doyle was good but didn’t seem to fit at all at Exeter manager didn’t fancy him? Then ended up at a dogshit Crawley side.

Kind of an achievement that Doyle managed to impress at both clubs considering the circumstances.

 

[jackalbion]

Kind of an achievement that Doyle managed to impress at both clubs considering the circumstances.

I think he’s very much the exception.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Well letting a talent go is ultimately fault of the club if he turns out to be very good. I think there will become a problem for a lot of academy talent where they struggle to see a route through a large first team squad, and I think it’s something that may lead to talent going elsewhere.

Isn't this a mixture of the bar going higher and the club wanting more instant success so they have bought in players that have 'proved it' rather than rely just on players with development potential. As soon as you buy in talent then your academy players careers stall as you can only play so many players play at one time.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Odel Offiah did well, but not enough to ever step up, but should make a tidy profit. Doyle was good but didn’t seem to fit at all at Exeter manager didn’t fancy him? Then ended up at a dogshit Crawley side.

but then look at Ayari who was not rated at Coventry or Blackburn in his loans.

 

[JBizzle]

Yes I think there is an element of that, but also some have been very badly organised moves (Cam Peupion to Cheltenham for example).

Badly organised moves or simply loan moves to clubs in England? There have been 50 managerial changes in the EFL this year. 50.

Good luck picking the 22 clubs with even managerial consistency before a ball has been kicked. The club can't control Cooper getting sacked and replaced by RvN, as it can't with any of the other chaps on the managerial merry-go-round.

The fact is, the standard of players in our first team is getting higher every season. The fact that we've got Dunk, Hinshelwood, Howell and Tasker in and around the first team shows that there is a pathway of you're good enough, but there are only 18 in a match day squad so the numbers don't work in a players favour.

In my view, a few years back the players you mention would have been able to grow into the first team.

 

[jackalbion]

Badly organised moves or simply loan moves to clubs in England? There have been 50 managerial changes in the EFL this year. 50.

Good luck picking the 22 clubs with even managerial consistency before a ball has been kicked. The club can't control Cooper getting sacked and replaced by RvN, as it can't with any of the other chaps on the managerial merry-go-round.

The fact is, the standard of players in our first team is getting higher every season. The fact that we've got Dunk, Hinshelwood, Howell and Tasker in and around the first team shows that there is a pathway of you're good enough, but there are only 18 in a match day squad so the numbers don't work in a players favour.

In my view, a few years back the players you mention would have been able to grow into the first team.

The problem at Cheltenham was we let him go to a club which already had 6 loan players (of a maximum of 5), there are of course caveats, I just worry that some players aren't seeing a pathway, and loan moves (especially domestically) seem to be a graveyard for Brighton careers, and those who are marked to succeed head straight into the first team.

 

[CheeseRolls]

The problem at Cheltenham was we let him go to a club which already had 6 loan players (of a maximum of 5), there are of course caveats, I just worry that some players aren't seeing a pathway, and loan moves (especially domestically) seem to be a graveyard for Brighton careers, and those who are marked to succeed head straight into the first team.

It was quite a late loan, which suggests sadly that there was not a a long list of options. Both Peupion and Duffus were given first team opportunities, which to me does not suggest a pathway problem. I think Dufus would almost certainly have been involved and possibly starting towards the end of the season, if he hadn't indicated his future lay elsewhere.

Is this a sign of malaise or just growing pains? Peupion could have turned down the Cheltenham loan and Duffus will have to live with his decision that he will find better opportunities elsewhere.