[Albion] If we let a 300+ games player leave on a free to Real Madrid...

[Zeberdi]

Liverpool fans, hang your head in shame. You utter clowns

If you don't like a player running his contract down, then save your booing for Jean Marc Bosman, not the player himself. TAA is going to trouser a thumping signing on fee from Real Madrid ... Oh and get to play for them as well .... Literally any player in world football, with that opportunity would have done the same.

And it isn't the fault of the club. They've obviously not forgotten that the contract is running down, they've obviously put a new deal on the table which he could have signed. They will have obviously offered him something very competitive.

The subtext to this I reckon is that Liverpool fans have got a Sheffield Wednesday complex going. "we're the biggest club in the world" ! When it someone slaps that insular world view in the face with a wet fish, then their fragile ego's which they've foolishly hitched to fortunes of a football club are damaged, and this, to me explains the lash out.

I think too much is being made of this - we actually don’t know what the Club offered. Unless it had an exit clause of some sort, it wouldn’t have made any difference I don’t think - TAA decided it was time for a next step career move and Slot wasn’t going to stand in his way, once that decision had been made.

The real issue I think going into this more deeply, was that when Julian Wards left and Schmadtke became interim sports director, Liverpool dropped the ball on contract extensions, focussing instead on rebuilding their MF. Klopp then announced he was leaving and all contract extensions were put on hold. When Hughes came in last April, negotiations resumed but by then TAA was already sniffing out Madrid as it didn’t look like Liverpool were making much effort to keep him.

When Madrid came knocking in December, Liverpool said they wanted TAA for the rest of the season and rejected any serious advances. TAA had no involvement with that dialogue because it was before the window opened..

The criticism against him by fans and the media is unfair. He’s just done what many footballers have done before him, made the tough decision to move onto a new challenge and continue to play out the season honouring his contract and the Club.

(As for Bosman, I applaud Clubs not being able to hold players to ransom by demanding unrealistic transfer fees )

 

[dsr-burnley]

I think too much is being made of this - we actually don’t know what the Club offered. Unless it had an exit clause of some sort, it wouldn’t have made any difference I don’t think - JAA decided it was time for a next step career move and Slot wasn’t going to stand in his way, once that decision had been made.

The real issue I think going into this more deeply, was that when Julian Wards left and Schmadtke became interim sports director, Liverpool dropped the ball on contract extensions, focussing instead on rebuilding their MF. Klopp then announced he was leaving and all contract extensions were put on hold. When Hughes came in last April, negotiations resumed but by then JAA was already sniffing out Madrid as it didn’t look like Liverpool were making much effort to keep him.

When Madrid came knocking in December, Liverpool said they wanted JAA for the rest of the season and rejected any serious advances. JAA had no involvement with that dialogue because it was before the window opened..

The criticism against him by fans and the media is unfair. He’s just done what many footballers have done before him, made the tough decision to move onto a new challenge and continue to play out the season honouring his contract and the Club.

(As for Bosman, I applaud Clubs not being able to hold players to ransom by demanding unrealistic transfer fees )

In England, clubs couldn't hold players to ransom at the time of Bosman because of the transfer tribunal. When a contract ran out,t he player could sign with anyone and the tribunal would set the fee if the clubs couldn't agree. It worked pretty well, and if only UEFA and Johansson had had a quarter of a brain between them, they could have leaned on Belgium to introduce the same system.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Even parking the football to one side, where would YOU rather live? Something of a no-brainer.....

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

In England, clubs couldn't hold players to ransom at the time of Bosman because of the transfer tribunal. When a contract ran out,t he player could sign with anyone and the tribunal would set the fee if the clubs couldn't agree.

I wonder what fee a transfer tribunal would have set for Alexander Arnold

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Looks like a load of bollocks form the liverpool fans to me.

He's not done a Sol Campbell and walked out and joined Liverpool's biggest rivals. He's not refused to play or train - his performances haven't dropped. He hasn't thrown a strop and insulted or disrespected anyone to do with Liverpool or the club in general.

He's just let his contract run down and is moving on to a new challenge in a new country and new league.

He's given them 300 odd games and been an integral part of winning everything it's possible to win with them. On the face of it it's really shitty by the Liverpool fans.

 

[Zeberdi]

In England, clubs couldn't hold players to ransom at the time of Bosman because of the transfer tribunal. When a contract ran out,t he player could sign with anyone and the tribunal would set the fee if the clubs couldn't agree. It worked pretty well, and if only UEFA and Johansson had had a quarter of a brain between them, they could have leaned on Belgium to introduce the same system.

Yes but that was only for transfers between English Clubs and from English Clubs to European Clubs wasn’t it?. If players wanted to move to the English football League, their registered club could hold them to ransom (except France I think or Spain?) which was what I was referring to.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

I’m surprised but I also don’t think it’s for fans of other clubs to tell supporters how they should feel or react to something like this.

 

[sydney]

I think too much is being made of this - we actually don’t know what the Club offered. Unless it had an exit clause of some sort, it wouldn’t have made any difference I don’t think - JAA decided it was time for a next step career move and Slot wasn’t going to stand in his way, once that decision had been made.

The real issue I think going into this more deeply, was that when Julian Wards left and Schmadtke became interim sports director, Liverpool dropped the ball on contract extensions, focussing instead on rebuilding their MF. Klopp then announced he was leaving and all contract extensions were put on hold. When Hughes came in last April, negotiations resumed but by then JAA was already sniffing out Madrid as it didn’t look like Liverpool were making much effort to keep him.

When Madrid came knocking in December, Liverpool said they wanted JAA for the rest of the season and rejected any serious advances. JAA had no involvement with that dialogue because it was before the window opened..

The criticism against him by fans and the media is unfair. He’s just done what many footballers have done before him, made the tough decision to move onto a new challenge and continue to play out the season honouring his contract and the Club.

(As for Bosman, I applaud Clubs not being able to hold players to ransom by demanding unrealistic transfer fees )

J isn't anywhere near T on the keyboard .......what's your caper...? 3 times...??:

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Looks like a load of bollocks form the liverpool fans to me.

He's not done a Sol Campbell and walked out and joined Liverpool's biggest rivals. He's not refused to play or train - his performances haven't dropped. He hasn't thrown a strop and insulted or disrespected anyone to do with Liverpool or the club in general.

He's just let his contract run down and is moving on to a new challenge in a new country and new league.

He's given them 300 odd games and been an integral part of winning everything it's possible to win with them. On the face of it it's really shitty by the Liverpool fans.

This. Morons. F*ck those Scouse whiney tw*ts

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Weird, typical Liverpool fans having to be different / sessional as usual

He doesn’t own them a transfer fee

 

[Motogull]

We should cheer him every time he gets the ball next Monday, if he plays.

He won't if the club leaks that Mitoma is playing.

 

[Triggaaar]

Would we boo him when subbed on to play his final home game for us?

Thought some of the Liverpool support let themselves down today.

Really pleased with Jurgen Klopp who stood in front Liverpool fans last night and told them they were wrong to boo.

More guts than a coward like Carragher who says nothing.

 

[A1X]

Liverpool like to claim they're special and all, but they're not. They're just another big, plastic club with a huge, plastic following. Oh sure, they have locals in the community, well so do Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal but they don't wang on about it.

This is entirely unsurprising behaviour from an entitled fan base and they're a disgrace.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In England, clubs couldn't hold players to ransom at the time of Bosman because of the transfer tribunal. When a contract ran out,t he player could sign with anyone and the tribunal would set the fee if the clubs couldn't agree. It worked pretty well, and if only UEFA and Johansson had had a quarter of a brain between them, they could have leaned on Belgium to introduce the same system.

Do you not see that if a player is out of contract and not being paid their former club has no right to demand a transfer fee if the player gets a new job. The idea is absurd. It did not work 'pretty well' any more than the maximum wage worked pretty well.

 

[GT49er]

Poor show.

Yes.

Liverpool now on a par with Chelsea....maybe.

Not by any standards.

 

[jimhigham]

Funny old world, innit? Booing a player for honouring his contract in full.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Liverpool like to claim they're special and all, but they're not. They're just another big, plastic club with a huge, plastic following. Oh sure, they have locals in the community, well so do Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal but they don't wang on about it.

This is entirely unsurprising behaviour from an entitled fan base and they're a disgrace.

That's a rather partial post, and a somewhat perverse narrative. You don't like Liverpool for some reason it seems

You are claiming that Liverpool (the club or the fans? Let's focus on the fans) claim they are special (do you mean the club or the fans? Let's imagine you mean the club).

So Liverpool fans think their club is special. Let's ponder this for a moment.

Well, most Brighton supporters I know thing our club is special. It's what we do.
And unlike Liverpool, the most successful English club, we have won f*** all.

And yet I still think the Albion is special.
What must you think of me

Next....

"Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal ... don't wang on about it."

About what? Being special? I think you'll find they do. Very weird if they didn't
I have heard it said that every set of supporters in the country have sung
"by far the greatest team the world has ever seen"
on at least one occasion.

And so you conclude "This is entirely unsurprising behaviour from an entitled fan base and they're a disgrace."

It seemed extremely surprising to me, given my experience of Liverpool supporters,
which is why I started the thread.
I wondered whether there was more to the story that met my eye.
Given the Slot comments it seems some Liverpool supporters have the wrong end of a stick,
and the club itself is relaxed about the boy's departure.
He was booed by a minority in that game and it soon became desultory.
I'd be surprised if it is worse if the boy gets minutes tomorrow. We shall see.
So maybe there is little or nothing to see here after all

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yes.

Not by any standards.

I think that is a balanced answer.

 

[A1X]

That's a rather partial post, and a somewhat perverse narrative. You don't like Liverpool for some reason it seems

You are claiming that Liverpool (the club or the fans? Let's focus on the fans) claim they are special (do you mean the club or the fans? Let's imagine you mean the club).

So Liverpool fans think their club is special. Let's ponder this for a moment.

Well, most Brighton supporters I know thing our club is special. It's what we do.
And unlike Liverpool, the most successful English club, we have won f*** all.

And yet I still think the Albion is special.
What must you think of me

Next....

"Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal ... don't wang on about it."

About what? Being special? I think you'll find they do. Very weird if they didn't
I have heard it said that every set of supporters in the country have sung
"by far the greatest team the world has ever seen"
on at least one occasion.

And so you conclude "This is entirely unsurprising behaviour from an entitled fan base and they're a disgrace."

It seemed extremely surprising to me, given my experience of Liverpool supporters,
which is why I started the thread.
I wondered whether there was more to the story that met my eye.
Given the Slot comments it seems some Liverpool supporters have the wrong end of a stick,
and the club itself is relaxed about the boy's departure.
He was booed by a minority in that game and it soon became desultory.
I'd be surprised if it is worse if the boy gets minutes tomorrow. We shall see.
So maybe there is little or nothing to see here after all

Oh come on, I've never seen any Brighton fans claiming "this means more" or that things we achieve are somehow extra special because of the fact we've achieved them, but the media and Internet is crawling with Liverpool fans who will claim exactly that until the cows come home.

 

[Triggaaar]

I have heard it said that every set of supporters in the country have sung
"by far the greatest team the world has ever seen"
on at least one occasion.

I will just say that fans of a few wanky teams actually mean it, while many more grounded fanbases do it with humour