[Albion] Apparently 8th place "still gets Europe", if...

[Napper]

So to be clear . We now are supporting Chelsea to win a trophy

 

[dazzer6666]

I wouldn't mind betting that City already know what the punishment will be but have threatened the Premier League with expensive litigation if it's announced before the end or season or they have negotiated the punishment down.

That looked obvious when they splashed a load of cash in January - think they’ll have transfer window embargoes

 

[saafend_seagull]

Not happening



And also *definitely* not happening, this season anyway.

We had an incredible chance of achieving European football, in a season where two of the ‘Big Six’ were unbelievably bad, something very unlikely to happen again, and we completely and utterly blew it.

That’s where drawing 1-1 at home to the second worst team in Premier League history, and blowing TWO two goal leads after the 85th minute, gets you.

And losing to 9 men.

We do not deserve Europe. Primary aim of the club is making profit from players.

 

[Flounce]

So to be clear . We now are supporting Chelsea to win a trophy

Well arguably their two best players are ex Brighton

FWIW I have accepted that the best we can hope for this season is finishing above Palace. Now let’s not have a repeat of what happened with Newcastle in the Championship please. Is one point from two games too much to expect?

 

[bhafc99]

I wouldn't mind betting that City already know what the punishment will be but have threatened the Premier League with expensive litigation if it's announced before the end or season or they have negotiated the punishment down.

One distant day, there may be a verdict. But without – yet – any resulting punishment. (Like someone being found guilty in court, but having to wait for a later sentencing hearing).

City will appeal the verdict.

Eventually (after an another couple of years) that may get resolved.

Then, if there's anything left, there may be a punishment announced.

City will then appeal the punishment. This will then take another couple of years to resolve.

I don't have any belief that this will be sorted in any meaningful way for years and years.

 

[Flounce]

Primary aim of the club is making profit from players.

It’s a shame, to me, that there are quite a few posters who hold the same view.

 

[Deadly Danson]

We do not deserve Europe. Primary aim of the club is making profit from players.

God this sort of comment depresses me. Imagine being Bloom and reading that after putting 100s of millions into the club, getting the team to the PL, getting them into Europe, establishing the club in the top 10 teams in the country and continuing to invest millions into ground improvements. It's so damned ungrateful - I'd be tempted to recoup my money, sell to a dodgy investment firm and say, 'Go on then - YOU run the club, let's see how you find a model that keeps the club moving forward sustainably whilst achieving the success we have'.

 

[SouthSaxon]

The fanbases sense of 'oh, at least we aren't still at Priestfield/Withdean' is one we really need to collectively get over if we are ever to achieve anything of note IMO. If f***ing Palace can win silverware, it isn't beyond our reach.

I’m not sure how some fans having a bit of perspective about the club’s past and present could possibly be holding us back.

 

[Chicken Run]

So to be clear . We now are supporting Chelsea to win a trophy

Apparently so, the same trophy many on here labelled Micky Mouse yet now we all want a piece of, roll on the end of the season an the unveiling of the inevitable shit 25/26 kit offerings…..

 

[SouthSaxon]

Thanks for trying to explain. Its still a bit complicated tbh. I have twice read there are some scenarios where 10 English clubs could qualify? tbough all the caveats are confusing.

Just in your point 2 about UECL allocation being reduced by 1 to zero?

Newcastle won it by winning Carabao, and because they'll definitely finish in a higher completion league place, that went to next in league. Still don't quite get how that can just vanish as it was Newcastles and then next in league as Newcastle are going to be CL or UEL?

We probably won't finish 8th anyway so academic!

Published by the PL 50 minutes ago as I write.

Race for Europe: How things stand, permutations and remaining fixtures

All you need to know as Premier League clubs try to secure UEFA Champions League, Europa League or Conference League football

www.premierleague.com

If Chelsea win UECL and finish 7th in PL it goes to 8th.

Chelsea last game of season is away at Forest. If Forest don't beat West Ham tomorrow and lose or even draw (with their inferior GD v Chelsea) it can't happen.

Forest must win later today at West Ham and then beat Chelsea in last game at home. If Forest win both games, then higher liklihood Chelsea may finish 7th. Villa would need a win or draw at Old Trafford and City 1 point from 2 games.

Forest winning twice is key.

I’m still not convinced I’m right. UEFA’s regulations are written in finest lawyer speak. For all I know, it might depend what colour socks Enzo Maresca wears at the Conference League final.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

And losing to 9 men.

We do not deserve Europe. Primary aim of the club is making profit from players.

Most clubs aim is to make profit from players to reinvest, outside the top 4/5 clubs in the world every club is a selling club

 

[trueblue]

As I’ve mentioned many times, the most reliable person in these scenarios is Dale Johnson from ESPN. If Newcastle finish in the top 5, and Chelsea 6th (and win UECL) he says there is no Conference League spot.

If Chelsea finish 7th and win UECL, 8th is Conference League as follows… This has been updated since the FA Cup Final. EPS is the extra Champions League place English football received from clubs’ performances.

How Chelsea could get eighth place into Europe by league position​

For clubs hovering around eighth in the table, the performance of Chelsea is now their only chance of playing in Europe next season. They are the only team who could win a European title and finish in a position to cause this drop down.

We need to assume Newcastle United have finished inside the top six.

This is the allocation before the EPS:

Champions League: 1-4, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace as FA Cup winners
Conference League: 6

Chelsea finish seventh and win the Conference League final. Chelsea would play in the Europa League, and the Premier League would have 10 teams in Europe.

Champions League: 1-4, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace as FA Cup winners, Chelsea as UCoL winners (7)
Conference League: 6

Add the EPS, and everything moves down one place -- but the Conference League spot for 6th position jumps over Chelsea and is given to eighth.

Champions League: 1-5, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 6, Chelsea as UCoL winners (7)
Conference League: 8

 

[trueblue]

So to be clear . We now are supporting Chelsea to win a trophy

And it’s why Cucurella’s goal on Friday was bloody annoying as Chelsea finishing 7th looked a strong possibility at 0-0.

 

[tstanbur]

As I’ve mentioned many times, the most reliable person in these scenarios is Dale Johnson from ESPN. If Newcastle finish in the top 5, and Chelsea 6th (and win UECL) he says there is no Conference League spot.

If Chelsea finish 7th and win UECL, 8th is Conference League as follows… This has been updated since the FA Cup Final. EPS is the extra Champions League place English football received from clubs’ performances.

How Chelsea could get eighth place into Europe by league position​

For clubs hovering around eighth in the table, the performance of Chelsea is now their only chance of playing in Europe next season. They are the only team who could win a European title and finish in a position to cause this drop down.

We need to assume Newcastle United have finished inside the top six.

This is the allocation before the EPS:

Champions League: 1-4, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace as FA Cup winners
Conference League: 6

Chelsea finish seventh and win the Conference League final. Chelsea would play in the Europa League, and the Premier League would have 10 teams in Europe.

Champions League: 1-4, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace as FA Cup winners, Chelsea as UCoL winners (7)
Conference League: 6

Add the EPS, and everything moves down one place -- but the Conference League spot for 6th position jumps over Chelsea and is given to eighth.

Champions League: 1-5, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 6, Chelsea as UCoL winners (7)
Conference League: 8

Why is there no mention of the league cup winners getting conference league in the original allocation section? Wasn’t that the case at the start of the season?

 

[trueblue]

Why is there no mention of the league cup winners getting conference league in the original allocation section? Wasn’t that the case at the start of the season?

It’s all accounted for in the very long full article. That’s just the relevant bit. It’s why he’s mentioned assuming a top 6 finish for Newcastle (so their Conference League places passes down).

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...-league-teams-qualify-champions-league-europe

 

[tstanbur]

It’s all accounted for in the very long full article. That’s just the relevant bit.

I think I’ve found the article. My brain hurts

How Crystal Palace's FA Cup final win impacts European places in the Premier League

The Premier League season is edging toward its climax, but how can clubs qualify for the Champions League, Europa League and Conference League?

www.espn.co.uk

I think the best approach is to assume we have nothing and then if there is a slim chance of anything going into the last game then get our hopes up again then.

 

[JonnyComeEarly]

As I’ve mentioned many times, the most reliable person in these scenarios is Dale Johnson from ESPN. If Newcastle finish in the top 5, and Chelsea 6th (and win UECL) he says there is no Conference League spot.

If Chelsea finish 7th and win UECL, 8th is Conference League as follows… This has been updated since the FA Cup Final. EPS is the extra Champions League place English football received from clubs’ performances.

How Chelsea could get eighth place into Europe by league position​

For clubs hovering around eighth in the table, the performance of Chelsea is now their only chance of playing in Europe next season. They are the only team who could win a European title and finish in a position to cause this drop down.

We need to assume Newcastle United have finished inside the top six.

This is the allocation before the EPS:

Champions League: 1-4, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace as FA Cup winners
Conference League: 6

Chelsea finish seventh and win the Conference League final. Chelsea would play in the Europa League, and the Premier League would have 10 teams in Europe.

Champions League: 1-4, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace as FA Cup winners, Chelsea as UCoL winners (7)
Conference League: 6

Add the EPS, and everything moves down one place -- but the Conference League spot for 6th position jumps over Chelsea and is given to eighth.

Champions League: 1-5, Man United/Tottenham as UEL winners
Europa League: 6, Chelsea as UCoL winners (7)
Conference League: 8

Oh. I thought chelsea just had to finish outside of the top 5 CL places?

Eg, 6th or 7th

Is it only a 7th place finish for chelsea that will help 8th place qualify?

 

[RandyWanger]

We had an incredible chance of achieving European football, in a season where two of the ‘Big Six’ were unbelievably bad, something very unlikely to happen again, and we completely and utterly blew it.

That’s where drawing 1-1 at home to the second worst team in Premier League history, and blowing TWO two goal leads after the 85th minute, gets you.

absolutely this.

 

[Commander]

God this sort of comment depresses me. Imagine being Bloom and reading that after putting 100s of millions into the club, getting the team to the PL, getting them into Europe, establishing the club in the top 10 teams in the country and continuing to invest millions into ground improvements. It's so damned ungrateful - I'd be tempted to recoup my money, sell to a dodgy investment firm and say, 'Go on then - YOU run the club, let's see how you find a model that keeps the club moving forward sustainably whilst achieving the success we have'.

Indeed. It's absolutely pathetic.

 

[trueblue]

I think I’ve found the article. My brain hurts

How Crystal Palace's FA Cup final win impacts European places in the Premier League

The Premier League season is edging toward its climax, but how can clubs qualify for the Champions League, Europa League and Conference League?

www.espn.co.uk

I think the best approach is to assume we have nothing and then if there is a slim chance of anything going into the last game then get our hopes up again then.

Yes. I don’t really get into ‘why’ too much. If you look at the actual UEFA regulations, they are unfathomable. I know a few football statisticians and they sometimes check with this guy when it gets very complex. Other websites often miss the nuances. If he’s wrong, chances are another statistician would have corrected him by now so it’s as solid a source as you’ll get.

Albion need to play like there’s still a chance and try to beat Brentford to 8th. Hope the players get the message and don’t think it’s done.