[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

[SouthSaxon]

Looks like the plan isn't working. Also don't agree that the Left are at fault for being disappointed in Labour. The party is supposed to be an alternative to the Right wing and they're making a decision in Government to occupy that space. It's bad for the country and bad for democracy.

The mistake they are making is focusing too much on the numbers and employing simplistic reasoning - "Reform has won a bunch of local elections, voters must like their policies, so we need to be more like them".

What they should be reading from it is that people are really unhappy with the cost/standard of living still, and feel Labour isn't delivering what it promised. The situation is as bad as that, given Reform has taken most of its gains from disaffected Conservatives who see the party dying in plain sight.

If Labour focused on delivering policies that a) fit with their pre-election promises b) delivered tangible improvements to people's lives they would be doing much better. Instead, they've essentially decided they need to do more of the things that made people unhappy in the first place.

Conclusion: This being mostly about the political strategy, Morgan McSweeney should be fired for crimes against intelligence. Here's a damning profile of the man from the New European this week.

I see this type of thing happen all the time in my work, people misinterpret data because they don't employ critical thinking. Bad decisions are the inevitable result. I'd bet £50 that's what's happening inside Gov HQ right now.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The mistake they are making is focusing too much on the numbers and employing simplistic reasoning - "Reform has won a bunch of local elections, voters must like their policies, so we need to be more like them".

What they should be reading from it is that people are really unhappy with the cost/standard of living still, and feel Labour isn't delivering what it promised. The situation is as bad as that, given Reform has taken most of its gains from disaffected Conservatives who see the party dying in plain sight.

If Labour focused on delivering policies that a) fit with their pre-election promises b) delivered tangible improvements to people's lives they would be doing much better. Instead, they've essentially decided they need to do more of the things that made people unhappy in the first place.

Conclusion: This being mostly about the political strategy, Morgan McSweeney should be fired for crimes against intelligence. Here's a damning profile of the man from the New European this week.

I see this type of thing happen all the time in my work, people misinterpret data because they don't employ critical thinking. Bad decisions are the inevitable result. I'd bet £50 that's what's happening inside Gov HQ right now.

I wouldn't read too much into the idea of Reform gaining from the Tories. The reason the Tories lost more seats in the recent local elections was because they had more to lose.

The local elections of 2021 were a high point for the Tories, Boris Johnson being popular at the time. From that high point, they lost two thirds of their seats. Conversely, 2021 local elections were a low point for Labour, and from that low point they lost two thirds of their seats.

 

[SouthSaxon]

I wouldn't read too much into the idea of Reform gaining from the Tories. The reason the Tories lost more seats in the recent local elections was because they had more to lose.

The local elections of 2021 were a high point for the Tories, Boris Johnson being popular at the time. From that high point, they lost two thirds of their seats. Conversely, 2021 local elections were a low point for Labour, and from that low point they lost two thirds of their seats.

This spectacularly ignores how Boris frittered away that popularity through his corruption and incompetence, best personified by Partygate. Truss then twisted the knife.

Having more of something doesn’t explain why that something was subsequently lost now, does it?

“Why did they lose so many seats?”
“Because they could!”

 

[dsr-burnley]

This spectacularly ignores how Boris frittered away that popularity through his corruption and incompetence, best personified by Partygate. Truss then twisted the knife.

Having more of something doesn’t explain why that something was subsequently lost now, does it?

“Why did they lose so many seats?”
“Because they could!”

As this is the Labour party thread, I didn't think the reason the Tories lost votes was particularly relevant. The local elections brought up two big questions for Labour - one, why did they lose so many of the votes they had in 2021; two, why didn't they pick up many of the huge number of votes the Tories lost?

 

[SouthSaxon]

As this is the Labour party thread, I didn't think the reason the Tories lost votes was particularly relevant. The local elections brought up two big questions for Labour - one, why did they lose so many of the votes they had in 2021; two, why didn't they pick up many of the huge number of votes the Tories lost?

I raised points related to both those questions in my original post. I made a passing reference to the Tories. That’s the part you focused in on to start talking about why they lost seats

 

[dsr-burnley]

I raised points related to both those questions in my original post. I made a passing reference to the Tories. That’s the part you focused in on to start talking about why they lost seats

I apologise.