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[Football] UEFA coefficients and Europe 2025/26



luge

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Dec 18, 2010
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9th would have only been available if an english team would have won it AND qualified for a non UCL place. So basically if Aston Villa won the UCL and finished in UEL or UECL slot. It would not have been available if Arsenal had won the UCL and finished in a UCL spot.

8th is the only way to qualify for UECL and it requires Manchester City winning the Fa Cup.
 




Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Honestly mate, go and argue with Dale Johnson. You can put one of the most meticulous statisticians in the business right. Yes, City need to win the FA Cup - we're all taking that as read as outlined in my earlier posts - and it's specified if you bother to read the whole of his article. At the time this was first mentioned (two games ago), it could go to 9th. Now it can't. It's not really that hard to understand.
That’s not what you said yesterday at 8.50pm which is what I was responding to so hold back on the patronising tone. You are not the only one posting permutations on this thread.

Now the EPS is applied with fifth in the UCL, and as this creates the plus-1 in all scenarios there are now nine teams in Europe. The European places drop down one, but as Chelsea already have a place in the Europa League, the Conference League spot "jumps" over them and goes to ninth.


Champions League:
1-5
Europa League: 6, 7, UCoL winners (8)
Conference League: 9"
You said this at 8.50pm on Sunday night after the weekend PL, which was the post I’ve been quoting; that Conference drops to 9th (not two games ago or what you copied from Dale Johnson previously). My reply was 4 hours later saying that was not the case…If I misunderstood your post and you meant to say 8th last night, then I do apologise.

Stop trying to confuse everything and turn it all into an endless argument though - we are obviously talking at cross purposes here!! 😂

I’m am glad we are now on the same page and everyone agrees that there are no Premier League places in Europe below 8th whatever happens.
 
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trueblue

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Jul 5, 2003
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It's not that complicated now.

If Palace win the Cup, 8th doesn't get Europe.

If City win the Cup, 8th does get Europe. It will be the Conference League, unless Chelsea finish outside the top 5 and win the Conference League (in which case it will be the Europa League).
Correct except it seems Chelsea have to finish 7th for 8th to become a Europa League spot. If the Conference League winners also qualify for the Europa League via their domestic league position, the place does not automatically get passed on. Instead, a club that's in the Europa League qualifying phase gets bumped up into the group stage based on its UEFA coefficient.

Very confusing but this, I believe, explains why the stats man has 8th as a Conference League spot if Chelsea finish 6th and the other criteria are met.

- If Chelsea finish 6th and win the Conference League, they go into the UEL group phase by rights. Their UEL place does not drop down the table.
- The second UEL berth goes to the FA Cup winners or, if that's Manchester City, 7th place.
- 8th place takes the Conference League spot (as Carabao Cup winner Newcastle will already be in Europe).
 
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Stumpy Tim

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Correct except it seems Chelsea have to finish 7th for 8th to become a Europa League spot. If the Conference League winners also qualify for the Europa League via their domestic league position, the place does not automatically get passed on. Instead, a club that's in the Europa League qualifying phase gets bumped up into the group phase based on its UEFA coefficient.

Very confusing but this, I believe, explains why the stats man has 8th as a Conference League spot if Chelsea finish 6th and the other criteria are met.

- If Chelsea finish 6th and win the Conference League, they go into the UEL group phase by rights. Their UEL place does not drop down the table.
- The second UEL berth goes to the FA Cup winners or, if that's Manchester City, 7th place.
- 8th place takes the Conference League spot (as Carabao Cup winner Newcastle will already be in Europe).
I give up trying to understand. Can someone let me know once Palace lose and we finish 8th please
 


trueblue

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That’s not what you said yesterday at 8.50pm which is what I was responding to so hold back on the patronising tone. You are not the only one posting permutations on this thread.


You said this at 8.50pm on Sunday night after the weekend PL, which was the post I’ve been quoting; that Conference drops to 9th (not two games ago or what you copied from Dale Johnson previously). My reply was 4 hours later saying that was not the case…If I misunderstood your post and you meant to say 8th last night, then I do apologise.

Stop trying to confuse everything and turn it all into an endless argument though - we are obviously talking at cross purposes here!! 😂

I’m am glad we are now on the same page and everyone agrees that there are no Premier League places in Europe below 8th whatever happens.
You keep conveniently forgetting to quote the key part of that post, which was in response to someone who'd seen MOTD and queried the permutations that I'd outlined two games earlier. Along the lines of, "that's not what the BBC said last night"

My response: "That's because it's changed since I wrote that post. Chelsea can no longer finish as low as 8th. MOTD said "If Chelsea finish outside the top 6" when it would have been better to say "if Chelsea finish 7th". When Dale Johnson did those previous permutations they could still finish 8th as they were only 9 points ahead of Fulham with 12 points to play for. The scenario then:"

At which point, I quoted Dale Johnson's scenario which was entirely correct TEN DAYS EARLIER when 9th could get a team into the Conference League. I didn't include all the ifs, buts and maybes that are contained in the full article as it's now entirely hypothetical and so totally irrelevant.

This is more tiresome than the permutations so I'm out.
 






Zeberdi

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I give up trying to understand. Can someone let me know once Palace lose and we finish 8th please
It hasn’t helped that the BBC threw a spanner in the works and confused everyone - until then the UEFA rules re ESP were seemingly consistently applied to all European competitions.
 


trueblue

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Jul 5, 2003
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It's not that complicated now.

If Palace win the Cup, 8th doesn't get Europe.

If City win the Cup, 8th does get Europe. It will be the Conference League, unless Chelsea finish seventh and win the Conference League (in which case it will be the Europa League).
This small amendment to your original post pretty much does the job I reckon. Let's hope we're in a position to care :smile:
 
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Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Well the reformatting of the Champions League was basically to create a European Super League in everything but name.

How so? The problem with the super league idea was that there was no qualification, promotion or relegation, the so called big clubs just got a place. As things stand it's down to qualification, so the likes of Forest could come from nowhere (recent form wise) and qualify.
 


Gabbiano

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Dec 18, 2017
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How so? The problem with the super league idea was that there was no qualification, promotion or relegation, the so called big clubs just got a place. As things stand it's down to qualification, so the likes of Forest could come from nowhere (recent form wise) and qualify.
The league format and expansion of number of direct qualification places for the top leagues was something of an appeasement to the ensure presence of all these "big" clubs (Utd and Spurs' historically shit season excepted), and in more matches (read, more income) than the previous format.

As it turns out it has been a very engaging format, but I am cynical about the original reasoning behind it.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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The league format and expansion of number of direct qualification places for the top leagues was something of an appeasement to the ensure presence of all these "big" clubs (Utd and Spurs' historically shit season excepted), and in more matches (read, more income) than the previous format.

As it turns out it has been a very engaging format, but I am cynical about the original reasoning behind it.

I don't mind a format that means more teams qualifying so that they can sell more games, as long as it doesn't mess up domestic leagues. How many games will Inter and PSG have played in the Champions League this season, compared to how many finalists would usually play?

What I (and I think most others) was against with the super league thing was the lack of fairness and supposed superiority of the big clubs.
 




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