[Misc] Pope Francis RIP - New Pope Elected 08/05

[birthofanorange]

Typical American - doesn't even know his own star sign.

 

[Frutos]

‘Would never have happened if Biden was President’.

I suspect there has been some strong political lobbying to get this through and tbh an American Pope was something I have been suspecting ever since the American far right/Steve Bannon‘s ties to the conservative wing of the Vatican became apparent.

https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/editorial/bannons-emerging-anti-francis-movement-threatens-church-unity

‘Maga Catholics’ are gaining ground in the US. Now their sight is set on the Vatican

Conservative US Catholics like Steve Bannon look to win ‘war that lasts decades’ with pope antithetical to Francis

www.theguardian.com

From what I understand of Leo's views he is much closer to the progressive end of the Catholic scale, so I don't see the correlation with your insinuation that he is the result of some kind of right wing conspiracy.

I certainly don't see any evidence for his being "antithetical to Francis" as that article suggests Bannon et al wanted.

 

[US Seagull]

From what I understand of Leo's views he is much closer to the progressive end of the Catholic scale, so I don't see the correlation with your insinuation that he is the result of some kind of right wing conspiracy.

I certainly don't see any evidence for his being "antithetical to Francis" as that article suggests Bannon et al wanted.

Not only that, some very bad people seem very upset about the #WokePope. So that's a plus from my POV

 

[A1X]

Ah yes those classic bedfellows of Marxism and Catholicism…

 

[Cotton Socks]

I'm gonna suggest that "already called" is bullshit. I know right? Fancy not trusting the president of the United States.

Besides, surely if he just got elected Pope he probably called his wife and kids first!

What do you mean? Obviously Pope Leo is going to be straight on the phone to Trump, it's not as if the Pope wouldn't have important religious stuff to do.

 

[Albion my Albion]

That's just silly...

It'll be on NBC this fall joining their "Chicago" lineup of Fire, PD, Med and Justice

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I actually know some Northwest Indiana catholics that knew the Pope when he was just starting out as a priest on the southside of Chicago.

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From my house to where the new Pope was born.

It's not much farther than Michael Jackson's house in Gary, Indiana.

 

[Brovion]

Not only that, some very bad people seem very upset about the #WokePope. So that's a plus from my POV

Wow! I've heard the Pope called many things (often quite rude things by my stepfather's Glaswegian Protestant family), but I've never heard him described as a 'Marxist Puppet'. Could be good!

 

[5Ways Gull]

Pope Bob = Excellent.
Pope Robbie = Pretty, pretty good.
Pope Rob = Good enough.
Pope Bobby = I'd take it.

But ....

Pope Leo?? WTF!!!

Why are they getting rid of one of the best things about him??

It's all getting quite commercial. Think they've chosen Leo to tie in with the Lions tour of Australia.

 

[Fignon's Ponytail]

From Chicago too.

Deep dish communion wafers?

Blessed are da Bears, for they will inherit the Super Bowl?

C'mon dude....even the Pope cant pull off that miracle!!!

 

[Fignon's Ponytail]

Slightly embarrassing for the Chicago Cubs, putting out a tweet showing this....

when in fact, Pope Leo is a White Sox fan! Now that is suffering for your sins....

 

[Zeberdi]

From what I understand of Leo's views he is much closer to the progressive end of the Catholic scale, so I don't see the correlation with your insinuation that he is the result of some kind of right wing conspiracy.

I certainly don't see any evidence for his being "antithetical to Francis" as that article suggests Bannon et al wanted.

That is not what I said.

I didn’t say Pope Leo was a right wing conservative but suggested that the right wing conservatives/Trump in the US wanted an American Pope (regardless of his political views) because even a liberal Pope means influence if he is an American liberal Pope - there’s a difference. An American Pontiff will mean influence with US catholic voters and if he is as ‘liberal’ as Francis, mobilise (and thus strengthen) the voice of MAGA catholics against him with the secondary effect of consolidating Trump’s MAGA base.

In other words, the Catholic Church is an enormous Republican voting bloc in the US, having an American Pope will revitalise the Catholic Church there as it does in every Country from where a Pope comes. Trump won 54% of the Catholic vote last November so he will be careful not to alienate Pope Leo but he will certainly do everything he can to appropriate the idea of an American Pope to boost his own support base. Policies on abortion, LBQGT for example are big voting issues - having an American Pope will allow Trump to use that Republican alignment with traditional Catholicism to greater effect than he has to date.

 

[Frutos]

In other words, the Catholic Church is an enormous Republican voting bloc in the US, having an American Pope will revitalise the Catholic Church there as it does in every Country from where a Pope comes. Trump won 54% of the Catholic vote last November so he will be careful not to alienate Pope Leo but he will certainly do everything he can to appropriate the idea of an American Pope to boost his own support base. Policies on abortion, LBQGT for example are big voting issues - having an American Pope will allow Trump to use that Republican alignment with traditional Catholicism to greater effect than he has to date.

Surely though, if having an American Pope with a relatively liberal viewpoint does revitalise the Catholic Church in the US, it will do so by means of attracting people who to at least some extent align with those relatively liberal views?

Such people are less likely to vote red, and 4% is not a huge majority. I would suggest that any revitalisation will not be favourable to the GOP and may in fact result in the Catholic majority going blue next time.

 

[Nitram]

Surely though, if having an American Pope with a relatively liberal viewpoint does revitalise the Catholic Church in the US, it will do so by means of attracting people who to at least some extent align with those relatively liberal views?

Such people are less likely to vote red, and 4% is not a huge majority. I would suggest that any revitalisation will not be favourable to the GOP and may in fact result in the Catholic majority going blue next time.

In that case I await the inevitable freeing of the Vatican state in the US interest, after the conquering of Greenland and Canada.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Surely though, if having an American Pope with a relatively liberal viewpoint does revitalise the Catholic Church in the US, it will do so by means of attracting people who to at least some extent align with those relatively liberal views?

Such people are less likely to vote red, and 4% is not a huge majority. I would suggest that any revitalisation will not be favourable to the GOP and may in fact result in the Catholic majority going blue next time.

Joe Biden is Catholic.

 

[Zeberdi]

Surely though, if having an American Pope with a relatively liberal viewpoint does revitalise the Catholic Church in the US, it will do so by means of attracting people who to at least some extent align with those relatively liberal views?

Such people are less likely to vote red, and 4% is not a huge majority. I would suggest that any revitalisation will not be favourable to the GOP and may in fact result in the Catholic majority going blue next time.

My point still hasn’t come across

The conservative/liberal leaning isn’t pertinent to why I was saying an American Pope would energise the Catholic Church in the US - (which MAGA catholics btw was already somewhat energised against Francis) it is because the Pope is American. A Pope always energises the Country he comes from - that btw isn’t “attracting people” but energising existing members. The fact he is not an ultra-conservative won’t stop Trump from trying to use the fact of an American Pope to his advantage by grandstanding policies on abortion and LBGT or even using it to sell his “chosen by God” to be President arguments.

Never mind, clearly I am not expressing what I am trying to say very well.

 

[el punal]

In that case I await the inevitable freeing of the Vatican state in the US interest, after the conquering of Greenland and Canada.

Yes, but do they have mineral deposits?

 

[Albion my Albion]

From Chicago too.

Deep dish communion wafers?

Blessed are da Bears, for they will inherit the Super Bowl?

He is supposedly a Cubs fan but he was born in the south suburb of South Holland, Illinois which is usually White Sox territory. Last year the White Sox had the worst record ever recorded in MLB history so they really could use the "divine" intervention from Pope Leo.

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