[News] India missile strike on Pakistan and Kashmir

[astralavi]

Would never of happened if Biden had still been president

 

[Albion my Albion]

Did you know George Armstrong Custer was related to Pascal Gross?

GAC's grandparents Paulus and Gertrude Küster were from the Rhineland section of Deutschland.

Paulus & Gertrude came to the North American English colonies around 1693 from the Rhineland in Germany, probably among thousands of Palatines whose passage was arranged by the English government to gain settlers in New York and Pennsylvania.


So it's all the UK's fault that GAC died at Little Big Horn in what is now Montana.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Despite my glib post earlier I sincerely hope this doesn't escalate further. I've been looking for reports of Pakistan's intentions/actions other than "we are in the process of retaliating".
Two nuclear nations, the possibility of huge casualty numbers can't be underestimated.

FFS its as if people all over the world are just looking to go to war at the moment.

I hope also that it doesn't bring the two communities over here into conflict.

Trump's presidency provides a window in which autocratic leaders know they can act with total impunity. It gives them an opportunity to resolve long standing disputes whilst drumming up nationalist fervour at home.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Trump's presidency provides a window in which autocratic leaders know they can act with total impunity. It gives them an opportunity to resolve long standing disputes whilst drumming up nationalist fervour at home.

Exactly. They know that, at worst, they’ll have to endure a couple of meetings with Steve Witless and Trump throwing his weight around before he gets bored and goes away.

 

[chickens]

Pakistan has allowed these terrorists to attack not Indian nationals, not military targets, but tourists, and not only that but shelter those terrorists for having given India a bloody nose.

Modi has done his best to ensure that retaliation is intelligence led and targeted, and not aimed at civilian targets.

I don’t know what else Pakistan could have hoped to achieve, a remarkably stupid and unnecessary act. if Pakistan choose to escalate this further then I foresee a significant and ongoing escalation on both sides.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Trump will have it resolved by tea time tomorrow.

Things usually turn out better when you say, "I'm not watching this shit, I'm going to bed."

 

[Triggaaar]

Trump will have it resolved by tea time tomorrow.

He won't need to, it won't start while he's president.

Oh

 

[Comrade Sam]

Well that trade deal with the fascist Modi looked good for 10 minutes. Like Yvette Cooper announcing the wonderful work the fascists running Italy were doing deporting people to the Balkans, 2 days before the Italian courts stopped it for being inhumane. At least the government isn't tied up in the machinations of Netanyahu or Trump.

 

[Zeberdi]

Trump's presidency provides a window in which autocratic leaders know they can act with total impunity. It gives them an opportunity to resolve long standing disputes whilst drumming up nationalist fervour at home.

This is exactly what has been happening with Hindu nationalism and Modi, a populist autocrat who presides over India which is only a ‘democracy’ in name:

Is India an Autocracy?

The erosion of democratic norms didn’t begin with Narendra Modi.

www.theatlantic.com

Hindu nationalist fervour against Muslims was further evidenced when In August 2019, ‘the government withdrew the constitutional provision that gave Kashmir special autonomy. It also downgraded Kashmir from a state to a territory, placing it under the direct control of the central government without consulting the people of Kashmir.’

As with all conflicts over territory and cultural/religious occupation, there are nuances and different perspectives that are often not expressed in an even handed way.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Men's Cashmere Zipper Basic Jumper

Nice!

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Well that trade deal with the fascist Modi looked good for 10 minutes.

The timing of that announcement yesterday was classic

Modi wanting some sort of positive international headline before firing off the missiles. We're the chumps desperate enough to do the deal with him to provide him the diplomatic cover

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

As with all conflicts over territory and cultural/religious occupation, there are nuances and different perspectives that are often not expressed in an even handed way.

This is my sense of it. That there's isn't an obvious aggressor as in the Russia Ukraine conflict. Both sides have competing claims over the same land, neither of which are completely invalid.

Pakistan, turning a blind eye to the actions of terrorists / freedom fighters (delete as appropriate). India, more accurately Modi, wanting to play the strongman

 

[chickens]

This is my sense of it. That there's isn't an obvious aggressor as in the Russia Ukraine conflict. Both sides have competing claims over the same land, neither of which are completely invalid.

Pakistan, turning a blind eye to the actions of terrorists / freedom fighters (delete as appropriate). India, more accurately Modi, wanting to play the strongman

Seriously? You believe tourists are legitimate terrorist targets? There’s an incredibly clear aggressor here to my mind.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Seriously? You believe tourists are legitimate terrorist targets? There’s an incredibly clear aggressor here to my mind.

No, but I don't believe missiles should have been fired by India either

 

[chickens]

No, but I don't believe missiles should have been fired by India either

I would have preferred it if it had been handled diplomatically and by police action, but there’s a very clear aggressor here.

It wasn’t India attacking tourists, it was terrorists based in, and sheltered by Pakistan. I can’t quite believe anyone thinking “oh well, faults on both sides.”

The aggressor is 100% clear, and it’s Pakistan.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I would have preferred it if it had been handled diplomatically and by police action, but there’s a very clear aggressor here.

It wasn’t India attacking tourists, it was terrorists based in, and sheltered by Pakistan. I can’t quite believe anyone thinking “oh well, faults on both sides.”

The aggressor is 100% clear, and it’s Pakistan.

This dispute didn't begin with the recent atrocity to which you refer. I'm happy to cede to those better read on this than me, but just from what i've picked up on it over the years, both sides here can fairly point to historic injuries and transgressions and frustrated claims over the disputed lands.

What is needed in those circumstances is both sides acting like grown ups, not taking the chance to shore up their domestic position by acting like a tough guy. Preferably with some sort of international mediation it's possible to deescalate. But both sides have to want to do it

 

[chickens]

This dispute didn't begin with the recent atrocity to which you refer. I'm happy to cede to those better read on this than me, but just from what i've picked up on it over the years, both sides here can fairly point to historic injuries and transgressions and frustrated claims over the disputed lands.

What is needed in those circumstances is both sides acting like grown ups, not taking the chance to shore up their domestic position by acting like a tough guy. Preferably with some sort of international mediation it's possible to deescalate. But both sides have to want to do it

Agree, and there’s no political will on either side currently, but I have no truck at all with a viewpoint of “poor Pakistan, all they did was humiliate and then murder a bunch of tourists.”

The current escalation lies entirely at their door.

 

[Barham's tash]

Going to full on tin hat brigade stuff but seem to recall somewhere that someone from the future (yes yes I know) on an Art Bell show said that the nuclear apocalypse wasn't started between US and Russia but by India and Pakistan over Kashmir and that subsequent pacts between the two states and or Russia/China forced an escalation that led to armageddon so you know there's that.

Still would at least stop all the FH in/out or under/overperforming threads, right?

 

[LamieRobertson]

I had BBC or Sky News on and typed verbatim as he said it . He’s the ultimate waffler, filling silences with meaningless dross …. then being proud with himself for his statesmanlike words in his parallel universe.

No much different to Kamala Harris then

 

[Weststander]

No much different to Kamala Harris then

The non racist who stands up for the poor and against fascist genocide orchestrator Putin.

Is there anyone in fair minded UK who actually likes Trump?