[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[A1X]

Not really no reason, Reform prefer underground cables compared to pylons

They prefer a needlessly expensive, massive disruptive option for largely pointless reasons other than they just like it. Christ, that’s certainly on the nose.

 

[TomandJerry]

They prefer a needlessly expensive, massive disruptive option for largely pointless reasons other than they just like it. Christ, that’s certainly on the nose.

Pylons can cause houses to be cheaper as less people would want to live in a house next to a pylon.

Living within certain distances of pylons can also potentially cause health issues further down the line

Plus they also look worse

 

[Berty23]

It’s undoubtedly a value for taxpayers money issue.

I doubt anyone would care if WFH practices delivered increased or even stable productivity levels however on balance overall it doesn’t.

Whilst the overall effect of the pandemic on the UK economy was negative, this was amplified by poor worker productivity. Studies may indicate workers were happier, but that does not automatically translate to positive productivity.

For the public sector productivity is still below pre pandemic levels whereas in the private sector productivity has regained and surpassed its 2019 data points.

The public-sector productivity problem

Strikes, pay rises and a productivity problem in the UK public sector.

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A significant component to this improvent in the private sector has been forcing employees back to their places of work, those in the public sector will need to suck it up.

On this issue, Reform are right to get public sector workers back to their places of work.

What is your proof that productivity is down to wfh rather than any number of other factors which could included cost of living pressures forcing people to earn more in better paying private sector, lack of technological investment, problems with bureaucracy (especially during the late Tory years where by all accounts getting decisions from ministers was basically led by the quality of news story it would provide rather than quality of service) etc etc.

 

[Berty23]

They want farm land used as farm land, not solar farms.

So if my cousin who farms on The Fens (and has already moved to fully combinable against his wishes due to lack of labour since Brexit as locals don’t want the work) decides he wants to use a less productive field for solar he is not allowed? It doesn’t feel very “anti nanny state” to be telling my cousin who is a private business how to farm his land.

Will they employ public sector employees to challenge private businesses like this?

 

[nicko31]

They created an issue where there isn't a problem.

Classic gaslighting.

Less than 0.5% of farmland is taken up by solar farms.

The government net zero targets would see just 0.6% of all UK land used for solar farms. For perspective, that's less land than is taken up by golf courses.

But if I were a Reform MP, I'd be trying to convince the masses that solar farms would impact on food production, agricultural jobs and would be too expensive.

Reform would happily sell our farmers down the river with a catastrophic US trade deal

 

[Berty23]

Pylons can cause houses to be cheaper as less people would want to live in a house next to a pylon.

Living within certain distances of pylons can also potentially cause health issues further down the line

Plus they also look worse

This middle paragraph feels like something that should be considered if there was actually any evidence of this should be a scandal. Can you show scientific evidence of this please? Videos from Matt le tiss or joey Barton don’t count btw.

Interesting that the right push the argument of negative impact on health of something like pylons but then are anti green energy which is designed to remove fuels we know are dangerous to health.

Looking forward to reform banning smoking which we all know damages health.

Or could it possibly be this is just something they think sounds good and they don’t care what they say because people lap it up? As ever it comes back to the argument about reform loving free speech when actually they hate it unless you agree with them.

 

[A1X]

Plus they also look worse

Whereas nuclear power stations…

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Pylons can cause houses to be cheaper as less people would want to live in a house next to a pylon.

Living within certain distances of pylons can also potentially cause health issues further down the line

Plus they also look worse

Please don't paste conspiracy theory bollocks.
It is bad enough you are actually discussing the possible value of Reform.

Electromagnetic Fields and Cancer

A fact sheet about research on electric and magnetic fields and studies examining their potential connection with cancer.

www.cancer.gov

 

[TomandJerry]

This middle paragraph feels like something that should be considered if there was actually any evidence of this should be a scandal. Can you show scientific evidence of this please? Videos from Matt le tiss or joey Barton don’t count btw.

Interesting that the right push the argument of negative impact on health of something like pylons but then are anti green energy which is designed to remove fuels we know are dangerous to health.

Looking forward to reform banning smoking which we all know damages health.

Or could it possibly be this is just something they think sounds good and they don’t care what they say because people lap it up? As ever it comes back to the argument about reform loving free speech when actually they hate it unless you agree with them.

"Several studies have analyzed the combined data from multiple studies of power line exposure and childhood leukemia:

A pooled analysis of nine studies reported a twofold increase in risk of childhood leukemia among children with exposures of 0.4 μT or higher.

More recently, a pooled analysis of seven studies published after 2000 reported a 1.4-fold increase in childhood leukemia among children"

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This middle paragraph feels like something that should be considered if there was actually any evidence of this should be a scandal. Can you show scientific evidence of this please? Videos from Matt le tiss or joey Barton don’t count btw.

Interesting that the right push the argument of negative impact on health of something like pylons but then are anti green energy which is designed to remove fuels we know are dangerous to health.

Looking forward to reform banning smoking which we all know damages health.

Or could it possibly be this is just something they think sounds good and they don’t care what they say because people lap it up? As ever it comes back to the argument about reform loving free speech when actually they hate it unless you agree with them.

See my post above. I am tempted to alert a moderator.
People write nonsense on NSC all the time but feeding the trope that childhood leukemia is caused by Pylons
is disgraceful.

 

[Berty23]

"Several studies have analyzed the combined data from multiple studies of power line exposure and childhood leukemia:

A pooled analysis of nine studies reported a twofold increase in risk of childhood leukemia among children with exposures of 0.4 μT or higher.

More recently, a pooled analysis of seven studies published after 2000 reported a 1.4-fold increase in childhood leukemia among children"

“The overall evidence, however, is not strong enough to draw a firm conclusion that magnetic fields cause childhood leukaemia.”

“If magnetic fields cause childhood leukaemia, the evidence suggests that this would explain 2 to 5 of the 500 cases that occur each year in the UK. To put this in context, about 140 children are killed each year in the UK due to traffic accidents and there are an estimated 2,700 deaths in the general population due to passive smoking.”

So maybe Nigel’s cool habit is killing more.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

"Several studies have analyzed the combined data from multiple studies of power line exposure and childhood leukemia:

A pooled analysis of nine studies reported a twofold increase in risk of childhood leukemia among children with exposures of 0.4 μT or higher.

More recently, a pooled analysis of seven studies published after 2000 reported a 1.4-fold increase in childhood leukemia among children"

Please don't cherry pick. You can find a 'paper' that suggests links between all sorts.
The only data of value where there is a mass of data available is meta analysis.
That is what informs the view that there is no meaningful (i.e., real) risk.

Posting shit that will scare anyone with young kids living near pylons is egregiously irresponsible.
Please stop.

 

[Bakero]

"Several studies have analyzed the combined data from multiple studies of power line exposure and childhood leukemia:

A pooled analysis of nine studies reported a twofold increase in risk of childhood leukemia among children with exposures of 0.4 μT or higher.

More recently, a pooled analysis of seven studies published after 2000 reported a 1.4-fold increase in childhood leukemia among children"

This is from the study you've just quoted:

Results
There was no material association between childhood leukaemia and distance to nearest overhead power line of any voltage. Among children living < 50 m from 200 + kV power lines, the adjusted odds ratio for childhood leukaemia was 1.33 (95% CI: 0.92–1.93).

 

[Peteinblack]

Farage doesn’t believe in anything, it’s just about energising a group of people to reward himself and his mates.

Make no mistake though, Farage and his enablers are a threat to democracy in just the way Trump is. Not to mention his love of Putin and contempt for Ukraine

It’s time he has treated like any other politician and put under proper scrutiny. Let’s start with how he assisted the Tories in power, damaged our economy with his disastrous Brexit and cheered Truss’s budget from the rooftops. The state of the UK has got Farage’s finger prints all over it.

Farage certainly supports many of the policies which have so badly damaged Britain since the 1980s - he is to the Right of Thatcher.

He favours more tax cuts for the rich, more privatisation, more dismantling or contracting-out of local government and public services, more curbs on workers’ rights (note the attacks on WFH), closer ties with the US, and yet more cuts to welfare.

It’s incredible that millions of people whose communities have been destroyed and impoverished by the economic policies of the last 40 years think that Farage will save them - he supported those policies.

Farage is like an arsonist who sets fire to your house, but then expects a medal for phoning the fire brigade - and blaming someone else for burning down your house.

I totally understand that people are disillusioned with Labour and the Tories, but I wish they would look a little more closely at what Farage and Reform really stand for. He really is no friend of ordinary people/the working-class.

Reform UK are a party (or plc) led by millionaires, and funded by millionaires and billionaires.

 

[Commander]

Many people have asked their supporters on here why they are voting for them.

So far, they have come up with nothing that I have seen.

Ultimately though, does it matter if we don't understand why anyone would vote for them if they are not engaging in discussion? Surely it makes little difference either way?

Does it matter if they can’t explain it though? Their vote counts for the same as ours.

The point I was making is that Brighton is a real bubble, and the majority of the country do not think like people from there. You are correct that this doesn’t matter, but it does matter if the other political parties can’t understand it, because they have no way of winning over their votes if they can’t.

 

[Wallace]

Dropping into this thread just to say that I hope all those Trump-loving Farage supporters that voted Reform yesterday are happy that the UK is heading in the same direction as German and the US.

Trump's managed to secure his Southern border, successive UK governments have failed to secure the English channel for at least 25 years so yes, I'm happy

 

[BadFish]

Does it matter if they can’t explain it though? Their vote counts for the same as ours.

The point I was making is that Brighton is a real bubble, and the majority of the country do not think like people from there. You are correct that this doesn’t matter, but it does matter if the other political parties can’t understand it, because they have no way of winning over their votes if they can’t.

It's hard to try and understand why they voted that way if they can't explain.

I think most people recognise that Brighton is different, many of us love it because of this. As you say though Brighton's vote also counts.

How are you suggesting we do things differently on here? I am confused.

 

[TomandJerry]

Please don't cherry pick. You can find a 'paper' that suggests links between all sorts.
The only data of value where there is a mass of data available is meta analysis.
That is what informs the view that there is no meaningful (i.e., real) risk.

Posting shit that will scare anyone with young kids living near pylons is egregiously irresponsible.
Please stop.

I don't mean to cause anyone upset

Just trying to have an open debate, happy to be proven wrong, just feeling conflicted at the moment

 

[A1X]

Does it matter if they can’t explain it though? Their vote counts for the same as ours.

To be fair, we keep being told we need to “listen to the concerns of Reform voters”. It’s hard to do that if they won’t tell people what they are.

 

[nevergoagain]

I'd expect it to be in years. What do you think it should be ?, Do you agree with any of the policies in the manifesto ?, if so which ones ?

@Berty23 have you had a chance to look at the manifesto yet ?.