[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Peteinblack]

See my post above. I am tempted to alert a moderator.
People write nonsense on NSC all the time but feeding the trope that childhood leukemia is caused by Pylons
is disgraceful.

Sadly, it’s the type of Trumpian conspiracy theory bollox that we can increasingly expect from Reform UK.

And when they are called out for their lies and nonsense, they’ll accuse their critics of peddling Fake News, and of being ‘the liberal elite’ or ‘bloody experts’.

Pure 100% Trump play-book tactics.

 

[Peteinblack]

To be fair, we keep being told we need to “listen to the concerns of Reform voters”. It’s hard to do that if they won’t tell people what they are.

Immigrants, and, er, whatever manufactured grievance millionaire-man-of-the-people Farage moans about today.

 

[Commander]

It's hard to try and understand why they voted that way if they can't explain.

I think most people recognise that Brighton is different, many of us love it because of this. As you say though Brighton's vote also counts.

How are you suggesting we do things differently on here? I am confused.

I’m not suggesting anything. I don’t have the answers, unfortunately.

I guess my overall point is that I think there is a far better chance of Nigel Farage being our next PM than NSC thinks there is.

 

[Wallace]

Absolutely certain their pitch at the next General Election will be to leave ECHR as this means they can establish a Rwanda policy for deportation without processing asylum applications.

I'd vote for that

 

[mr sheen]

What is your proof that productivity is down to wfh rather than any number of other factors which could included cost of living pressures forcing people to earn more in better paying private sector, lack of technological investment, problems with bureaucracy (especially during the late Tory years where by all accounts getting decisions from ministers was basically led by the quality of news story it would provide rather than quality of service) etc etc.

Indeed.

Social Care is the most significant issue facing most councils which now have a Reform leadership. Spend on that, plus spend is up to 80% of budget for.some top tier local authorities, with the vast majority of that spend being spend with private sector care providers (very reliant on low paid immigrant labour).

Taking that amount of spend all of that with private sector providers, who also complain that the price they received for it is below the real cost they deliver it at - then in reality, the debate about anything else in councils - efficiencies, WFH, diversities training - is fairly irrelevant. Not sure what Reform manifesto says around this issue.

One of the (minor) ways this part of the sector has been propped up post austerity and post COVID was councils selling off buildings no longer needed as there was reduced demand for office space.

Productivity wise - you could make social workers assess more people - but that means paying for more care packages. Or you could offer earlier, preventative interventions - people have been trying to do that for at least fifty years, but budgets are finite - so which people needing complex care packages do you stop caring for to make that shift in public policy?

 

[Peteinblack]

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The @TomandJerry quote above was recapitulated in microsoft AI. This quickly leads me to the source data.

This is a paper published in 2010. A paper of such importance it has triggered f*** all follow up.

British Journal of Cancer volume 103, pages1122–1127 (2010).

These authors have also claimed that beaning wealthy causes the same childhood leukemia:

Childhood leukaemia and socioeconomic status in England and Wales 1976-2005: evidence of higher incidence in relatively affluent communities persists over time.
Kroll ME, Stiller CA, Murphy MF, Carpenter LM.Br J Cancer. 2011 Nov 22;105(11):1783-7. doi: 10.1038/bjc.2011.415. Epub 2011 Oct 25.

Perhaps because it is under diagnosed in poorer communities?

Evidence for under-diagnosis of childhood acute lymphoblastic leukaemia in poorer communities within Great Britain.
Kroll ME, Stiller CA, Richards S, Mitchell C, Carpenter LM.Br J Cancer. 2012 Apr 24;106(9):1556-9. doi: 10.1038/bjc.2012.102.PMID: 22472883 Free PMC article.

When you have something that is rare and not infectious there will be mild clustering around communities, demographics etc., that are all stochastic. There is no cause and effect. It is simply how randomness behaves.

If you fail to account for confounds you can pontificate at length, publish data and elaborate a modest career.

Unfortunately the uneducated then jump on the findings.

AI will take the average of truth and whimsy (and lies) and come up with a middle ground position.

Is it possible for Brighton to win the EPL this year?
"Yes it is, but it will depend in a highly improbable set of events* but this means it is technically possible."
So we CAN win the league this season!!!

*Includes points deductions for several rivals.

Perhaps NSC needs a medical science consultant?
But who would do such an onerous job?

 

[Eeyore]

View attachment 201158

Diversity officer is often a role that is combined as a duty within an HR role. Not a full time one, although some large organisations have them.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Trump's managed to secure his Southern border, successive UK governments have failed to secure the English channel for at least 25 years so yes, I'm happy

Border security before Brexit was fine. The 600k per year (2023 figures) increase in net migration since then is absolutely down to those who proposed, campaigned and voted for Brexit.

Those who can't understand that voting for a conman like Farage brings the opposite to what you actually want, heads glow at night because they are so gaslit.

 

[Berty23]

@Berty23 have you had a chance to look at the manifesto yet ?.

Which manifesto?

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't mean to cause anyone upset

Just trying to have an open debate, happy to be proven wrong, just feeling conflicted at the moment

No you’re not. You’re trolling.

Factual election results are fine. Unproven conspiracy is not. Please stop.

 

[TomandJerry]

Border security before Brexit was fine. The 600k per year (2023 figures) increase in net migration since then is absolutely down to those who proposed, campaigned and voted for Brexit.

Those who can't understand that voting for a conman like Farage brings the opposite to what you actually want, heads glow at night because they are so gaslit.

So that's the fault of the Conservative government, Farage wasn't in charge of the country when border security went downhill.

 

[Eeyore]

If Reform got the keys to number 10 they'd ensure schools 'teach children to love Britain again' as part of the curriculum.

I'd love to know what that would entail

I find it quite chilling. They talk about 'woke' indoctrination yet seemingly want to replace it with what feels like some kind of fascist infection. I say that because one of their leaders was talking about putting up statues all over the UK.

Kids need to be taught how to read and write, run around a fall over. They can make up their own minds how they feel about their country as they experience it.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I find it quite chilling. They talk about 'woke' indoctrination yet seemingly want to replace it with what feels like some kind of fascist infection. I say that because one of their leaders was talking about putting up statues all over the UK.

Kids need to be taught how to read and write, run around a fall over. They can make up their own minds how they feel about their country as they experience it.

One of their general election promises was to restrict degree to “useful” ones which, presumably, means useful to them to create a country full of idiots.

 

[TomandJerry]

The @TomandJerry quote above was recapitulated in microsoft AI. This quickly leads me to the source data.

This is a paper published in 2010. A paper of such importance it has triggered f*** all follow up.

British Journal of Cancer volume 103, pages1122–1127 (2010).

These authors have also claimed that beaning wealthy causes the same childhood leukemia:

Childhood leukaemia and socioeconomic status in England and Wales 1976-2005: evidence of higher incidence in relatively affluent communities persists over time.
Kroll ME, Stiller CA, Murphy MF, Carpenter LM.Br J Cancer. 2011 Nov 22;105(11):1783-7. doi: 10.1038/bjc.2011.415. Epub 2011 Oct 25.

Perhaps because it is under diagnosed in poorer communities?

Evidence for under-diagnosis of childhood acute lymphoblastic leukaemia in poorer communities within Great Britain.
Kroll ME, Stiller CA, Richards S, Mitchell C, Carpenter LM.Br J Cancer. 2012 Apr 24;106(9):1556-9. doi: 10.1038/bjc.2012.102.PMID: 22472883 Free PMC article.

When you have something that is rare and not infectious there will be mild clustering around communities, demographics etc., that are all stochastic. There is no cause and effect. It is simply how randomness behaves.

If you fail to account for confounds you can pontificate at length, publish data and elaborate a modest career.

Unfortunately the uneducated then jump on the findings.

AI will take the average of truth and whimsy (and lies) and come up with a middle ground position.

Is it possible for Brighton to win the EPL this year?
"Yes it is, but it will depend in a highly improbable set of events* but this means it is technically possible."
So we CAN win the league this season

*Includes points deductions for several rivals.

Perhaps NSC needs a medical science consultant?
But who would do such an onerous job?

I appreciate the civil response, I have not yet managed to get my head round AI and rely on reports and findings. Sometimes I misunderstand or get mislead and rely on others to make me aware

 

[TomandJerry]

No you’re not. You’re trolling.

Factual election results are fine. Unproven conspiracy is not. Please stop.

Im not into 'trolling' I accept I have been proven wrong - and will move on more knowledgeable.

For which I am grateful for

 

[BadFish]

I'd vote for that

Really? Why would you do that?

 

[BadFish]

I appreciate the civil response, I have not yet managed to get my head round AI and rely on reports and findings. Sometimes I misunderstand or get mislead and rely on others to make me aware

One of the great benefits of this board IMHO.

When you can accept being wrong (which you clearly can) it is a brilliant place for addressing misconception (also known as learning).

 

[TomandJerry]

One of the great benefits of this board IMHO.

When you can accept being wrong (which you clearly can) it is a brilliant place for addressing misconception (also known as learning).

Sometimes it's better to be proven wrong in an open debate than to keep your opinions to yourself and carry on thinking incorrectly.

 

[BadFish]

Sometimes it's better to be proven wrong in an open debate than to keep your opinions to yourself and carry on thinking incorrectly.

I agree.