[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[WATFORD zero]

The last 20 pages or so of this thread are dominated by the hope that Reform get ‘found out’ but they won’t be because too many people simply don’t care. The rise of Reform is entirely down to the failure of the Tories and the current failure of this new Labour government. Unless people have faith in the alternative, many will vote Reform regardless.

Whether Reform continue to attract support (and maybe eventually win a GE) is now entirely down to Labour. So far, Labour’s inept economic and appalling social policies are driving people to Remain.

I wish it were not so.

No it's not. If it were to happen it will be down to people voting for Fascists, no other reason

But if you're incapable of taking responsibilIty for your vote there's always the same old excuses "It's not my fault I voted that way, they made me do it'

 

[Cordwainer]

Is that from Reform?

That's nonsense as well.

I don't heat the house to any significantly greater degree when I'm at home. My water isn't metered. And wi-fi doesn't cost any more if I use it all day every day, or just an evening a week.

And also - even if we did 'save' up to £2,441.88 a year, it would mean I could buy something like a better camera or similar. So, again, it would just be the same money spend - just on different things.

How do they calculate this rubbish?

Re - rented office space. If we reduced the amount of offices and had housing instead in it's place - then the 'housing crisis' would be reduced.

That’s numberwang.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

According to the excellent Matt Frei this morning, three months ago Canada’s Trump-friendly candidate was heading for a landslide with a 25 point polls lead.

Carney lucked out because Trump revealed his true colours on tariffs and barely veiled threats about Canada and Greenland.

Australia was neck and neck until last week.

 

[pocketseagull]

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Perfect example of why Labour attempting to court Reform voters at the expense of their base is doomed to fail.

 

[A1X]

Being against WFH because people think it means less money coming in need to realise the world is moving on and companies need to adapt or die

The normalisation of WFH is one of the best things to happen to most workers in decades, both from a mental health and financial POV. Some establishment figures whinging because they don’t like it shouldn’t mean we allow it to be changed.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No it's not. If it were to happen it will be down to people voting for Fascists, no other reason

But if you're incapable of taking responsibilIty for your vote there's always the same old excuses "It's not my fault I voted that way, they made me do it'

Indeed.

Political victim blaming with a contributory negligence twist.

"Labour and Tory are not quite what I want.
So I'm voting Farage."

"Oh, how would you like us to change so you might vote Labour".

"er... well get the foringers out for a start because I have been told by Farage that foringers is why I am poor and can't get a doctor's appointment for my smoker's cough. I used to vote labour when I thought they supported the working white man. And my benefits are now late!".

The solution to perceived contributory negligence isn't to pander to the oaf.

Pandering to these would be like, in the Attilla poem, arresting the raped girl with the short skirt,
and giving money to the rapist to spend on hookers.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

 

[TomandJerry]

Being against WFH because people think it means less money coming in need to realise the world is moving on and companies need to adapt or die

The normalisation of WFH is one of the best things to happen to most workers in decades, both from a mental health and financial POV. Some establishment figures whinging because they don’t like it shouldn’t mean we allow it to be changed.

So where's the loss of revenue going to come from?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Being against WFH because people think it means less money coming in need to realise the world is moving on and companies need to adapt or die

The normalisation of WFH is one of the best things to happen to most workers in decades, both from a mental health and financial POV. Some establishment figures whinging because they don’t like it shouldn’t mean we allow it to be changed.

What could be a better way for a young office worker to learn their job, than sitting in their bedroom at home with a laptop getting advice from people who aren't there?

HMRC before covid were bad to deal with. Their performance has gone way downhill from there. When writing a follow-up letter to HMRC, you really shouldn't have to specify the year when you say you wrote in January. Companies ought to be allowed to insist on people working from the office if they think it more efficient, just as people who don't like it are entitled to change jobs.

 

[Berty23]

So where's the loss of revenue going to come from?

Rejoin the EU and get loads more.

Fewer people on the roads at rush hour will increase productivity due to less wasted time on journey. I work longer hours at home and get loads more done as I don’t get distracted by office staff.

I spend my money on what I want to instead of in fuel. I still spend just as much. I just spend it in local shops rather than on petrol and car maintenance. So this will help to grow my town of Warwick rather than the money going to cities. Sounds good to spread the cash if you ask me rather than it all going to economic hubs. What is not to love?

 

[Berty23]

What could be a better way for a young office worker to learn their job, than sitting in their bedroom at home with a laptop getting advice from people who aren't there?

HMRC before covid were bad to deal with. Their performance has gone way downhill from there. When writing a follow-up letter to HMRC, you really shouldn't have to specify the year when you say you wrote in January. Companies ought to be allowed to insist on people working from the office if they think it more efficient, just as people who don't like it are entitled to change jobs.

They can resist. Then staff move to where they can wfh. That’s fine. When the best people who don’t want to waste time gossiping in the office leave due to being forced to be in the office then employers will budge. As they are.

 

[Hugo Rune]

What could be a better way for a young office worker to learn their job, than sitting in their bedroom at home with a laptop getting advice from people who aren't there?

HMRC before covid were bad to deal with. Their performance has gone way downhill from there. When writing a follow-up letter to HMRC, you really shouldn't have to specify the year when you say you wrote in January. Companies ought to be allowed to insist on people working from the office if they think it more efficient, just as people who don't like it are entitled to change jobs.

Despite what your man Farage would have you believe, if it's in their contract, companies can insist people work from a company office.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

What could be a better way for a young office worker to learn their job, than sitting in their bedroom at home with a laptop getting advice from people who aren't there?

In my experience, decent young office workers (and people who are actually decent at engaging with people who are learning on the job), manage perfectly well.

While the shit people are shit whether they're in the office or not.

It really doesn't make much difference.

 

[Driver 8]

If I’m honest I’d rather live next door to an illegal immigrant than a Reform voter.

 

[Weststander]

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He’s already dreaming of the conference season.

 

[Cordwainer]

In my experience, decent young office workers (and people who are actually decent at engaging with people who are learning on the job), manage perfectly well.

While the shit people are shit whether they're in the office or not.

It really doesn't make

In my experience, decent young office workers (and people who are actually decent at engaging with people who are learning on the job), manage perfectly well.

While the shit people are shit whether they're in the office or not.

It really doesn't make much difference.

Think your middle sentence sums everything up really..a d1ck, is a d1ck, is a d1ck, irrespective of their work location, political stipe, ethnicity, sexual preference or gender.

 

[Littlemo]

What would you suggest then?

Help to pay for childcare. Better childcare provision such as more affordable nurseries. Better support for mothers to look after kids in their early years and then return to work if they want to.

We already have quite good provision for families though. That shouldn’t be ignored. Maternity leave and paternity leave aren’t benefits available in all countries. Child support likewise.

The bottom line is that kids are expensive in an already expensive country to live in. If the cost of living was better for everyone, they would also struggle much less. That should really be the overall aim.

It should also be remembered that families are a choice now. It’s not necessarily a problem that needs addressed, sometimes people just choose other paths.

 

[A1X]

So where's the loss of revenue going to come from?

Raise taxes elsewhere. Undo the Tory NI cut from last year, for example. But there are multiple new ways of raising tax which haven’t yet been exploited which could tie in with WFH arrangements such as taxing home delivery services, broadband access etc.

 

[The Clamp]

A lot of my friends work from home and go into the office twice a week. They all say they find that the right mix.

Anyway, it has to be said…..what f***ing business is it of any politician, especially a two-bit shyster like Farage, where anybody works from? That’s an arrangement between the employer and the employee and absolutely out of the purview of any politician.

Get out of it.

 

[TomandJerry]

Raise taxes elsewhere. Undo the Tory NI cut from last year, for example. But there are multiple new ways of raising tax which haven’t yet been exploited which could tie in with WFH arrangements such as taxing home delivery services, broadband access etc.

To be fair, the HMRC are apparently already trying to tax some work from home workers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/income/remote-workers-to-face-shock-tax-bills/