[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Weststander]

Canada and Australia have seen sense, and by the time the next General Election comes round, those relying on Reform to help them, will realise they’re useless, just like the voters in Clacton are doing.

According to the excellent Matt Frei this morning, three months ago Canada’s Trump-friendly candidate was heading for a landslide with a 25 point polls lead.

Carney lucked out because Trump revealed his true colours on tariffs and barely veiled threats about Canada and Greenland.

 

[Bodian]

Following on from this, it's good to see that one of their newly elected's understands the staff they have and what the job entai-
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The incompetence is astounding.

They'll just look for other posts that help the public in diversity-type roles. Like translators and so on. Then try and sack them - but fortunately our employment laws are a bit stricter than in the USA.

people who work from home provide into the economy less (less money spent on travel/lunch out etc)

Perhaps Farage is against working from home because he perceives the above point to be true, and wants more spent to increase the treasury budget

But that's nonsense isn't it. I work from home twice a week, and in the office twice a week. The only money I have 'not spent' is on petrol. I still need to eat and drink and so on - so I don't spend any less, just in different places. So - presumably what you're saying is that we should be forced to travel merely to spend money on petrol - giving profits to the oil companies? If Reform wanted more treasury income from travel - then they could remove the 5p fuel tax cut that's still there; or even put up fuel taxes.

Will he be banning me riding my bike 8 miles to the office once a week as well, and make me drive to stimulate growth?

 

[TomandJerry]

They'll just look for other posts that help the public in diversity-type roles. Like translators and so on. Then try and sack them - but fortunately our employment laws are a bit stricter than in the USA.

But that's nonsense isn't it. I work from home twice a week, and in the office twice a week. The only money I have 'not spent' is on petrol. I still need to eat and drink and so on - so I don't spend any less, just in different places. So - presumably what you're saying is that we should be forced to travel merely to spend money on petrol - giving profits to the oil companies? If Reform wanted more treasury income from travel - then they could remove the 5p fuel tax cut that's still there; or even put up fuel taxes.

Will he be banning me riding my bike 8 miles to the office once a week as well, and make me drive to stimulate growth?

It's not just that though, it's the loss of income from companies moving to smaller office spaces / getting rid of offices all together.

 

[Bodian]

"Our research has discovered that the average week working from home costs £47.07, with combined energy, water and WiFi costs. This means that on average, you can save £9.69 per day if you WFH rather than pay to commute into the office.

With approximately 252 working days a year for full-time employees (after deducting public holidays), switching from full-time working in the office to full-time remote working can save workers up to £2441.88 annually."

That's without the income loss of rented office space that companies would otherwise be having to pay tax on

Is that from Reform?

That's nonsense as well.

I don't heat the house to any significantly greater degree when I'm at home. My water isn't metered. And wi-fi doesn't cost any more if I use it all day every day, or just an evening a week.

And also - even if we did 'save' up to £2,441.88 a year, it would mean I could buy something like a better camera or similar. So, again, it would just be the same money spend - just on different things.

How do they calculate this rubbish?

Re - rented office space. If we reduced the amount of offices and had housing instead in it's place - then the 'housing crisis' would be reduced.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Who knows, put it into a savings account? Tax free ISA? Stocks and shares account? Saving accounts for their children? Or perhaps they spend it, who knows

They spend it.

Believe me, there's enough things nowadays going up in price that people aren't squirreling money saved away under the mattress. And it's human nature to find something to spend your money on, given £15 to spend on lunch for a week most people would either buy 5 £3 sandwiches or 1 really fancy £15 sandwich. Very few people actually have the mindset to go "ooh, £12 for the savings account there".

And in any case, in most cases people are commuting from smaller towns into big cities, and you'd generally prefer people to spend their money local to where they live rather than everybody spending money in the big cities where they work.

I'd suggest that Farage's interest in this has much more to do with people who have interest in office rentals giving him lots of money than it does him caring about the finances of small sandwich shops.

By which I mean, it's definitely down to people with vested interests giving him money.

 

[Bodian]

It's not just that though, it's the loss of income from companies moving to smaller office spaces / getting rid of offices all together.

Good - as I say in my other post, if we reduced the amount of offices and had housing instead in it's place - then the 'housing crisis' would be reduced, and town/city centres would be revitalised.

 

[Bakero]

They spend it.

Believe me, there's enough things nowadays going up in price that people aren't squirreling money saved away under the mattress. And it's human nature to find something to spend your money on, given £15 to spend on lunch for a week most people would either buy 5 £3 sandwiches or 1 really fancy £15 sandwich. Very few people actually have the mindset to go "ooh, £12 for the savings account there".

And in any case, in most cases people are commuting from smaller towns into big cities, and you'd generally prefer people to spend their money local to where they live rather than everybody spending money in the big cities where they work.

I'd suggest that Farage's interest in this has much more to do with people who have interest in office rentals giving him lots of money than it does him caring about the finances of small sandwich shops.

By which I mean, it's definitely down to people with vested interests giving him money.

I'd make my own lunch and pocket the 15 quid.

 

[abc]

The last 20 pages or so of this thread are dominated by the hope that Reform get ‘found out’ but they won’t be because too many people simply don’t care. The rise of Reform is entirely down to the failure of the Tories and the current failure of this new Labour government. Unless people have faith in the alternative, many will vote Reform regardless.

Whether Reform continue to attract support (and maybe eventually win a GE) is now entirely down to Labour. So far, Labour’s inept economic and appalling social policies are driving people to Remain.

I wish it were not so.

 

[Bodian]

I'd suggest that Farage's interest in this has much more to do with people who have interest in office rentals giving him lots of money than it does him caring about the finances of small sandwich shops.

We're probably over-thinking his interest. I suspect it's just populism and he wants to tap into the fake feeling amongst people that somehow they are being hard done by skivers WFH and brown people flooding in and taking their jobs.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I'd make my own lunch and pocket the 15 quid.

Well done, all power to you.

What would you spend it on then?

 

[Bakero]

Well done, all power to you.

What would you spend it on then?

Beer, most likely

 

[TomandJerry]

Is that from Reform?

That's nonsense as well.

I don't heat the house to any significantly greater degree when I'm at home. My water isn't metered. And wi-fi doesn't cost any more if I use it all day every day, or just an evening a week.

And also - even if we did 'save' up to £2,441.88 a year, it would mean I could buy something like a better camera or similar. So, again, it would just be the same money spend - just on different things.

How do they calculate this rubbish?

Re - rented office space. If we reduced the amount of offices and had housing instead in it's place - then the 'housing crisis' would be reduced.

It's not from Reform.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Beer, most likely

Yeah, me too.

There goes the "money out of the economy" argument. I'm paying for about two of my local pub's barstaff's uni fees the way I'm going.

And I buy a massive sandwich when I do go into the office.

 

[WATFORD zero]

To be fair, anyone who thinks that Trump is doing a great job in the US and then votes Reform is showing a certain level of consistency in political ideology and policy, even if they don't know it, and can't understand or explain what ideology or policies they agree with

 

[Berty23]

It's not just that though, it's the loss of income from companies moving to smaller office spaces / getting rid of offices all together.

Freeing up buildings that can be repurposed for housing in the middle of town. Nice.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Freeing up buildings that can be repurposed for housing in the middle of town. Nice.

That won't help rich people who own blocks of flats.

You need to think more about the people who really matter in all of this.

 

[The Clamp]

Well done, all power to you.

What would you spend it on then?

Stuff to make sandwiches.

 

[TomandJerry]

Freeing up buildings that can be repurposed for housing in the middle of town. Nice.

Will be it be affordable housing, though?

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

 

[Cordwainer]

People who work from home spend exactly the same amount of money, they just spend it in different places. When it comes to it, almost everybody spends whatever they happen to earn at the time.

I'd also guess that the people who suggest councils are wasting money on DEI have little to no idea of what councils spend their money on or what their responsibilities actually are.

I find the whole culture wars thing incredibly tiresome and obviously carted out by those parties who have little/no substantive, economically literate and politically achievable policies..but their rage against wfh is particularly odd.