[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Peteinblack]

Reform are going to have an issue as more and more attention is paid to them, they are some very dodgy characters in the party that they can't help attract. They are a dog whistle party who are happy to spout utter nonsense about diversity and blame foreigners for everything. They'll continue to make gains as the Tories die but I am not convinced they have enough to not eat themselves has the prize of power appears to move closer. Labour do need to put their proper centre left big boy pants on a be bolder, braver and faster though.

Yes, my hope is that having some political power at local level will cruelly expose Reform as the nasty grievance-mongers, political-opportunists and shit-stirrers most of us recognise them as.

Blaming immigrants and 'Woke' for everything will only go so far when Reform councillors and mayors actually have to make real decisions, and then be judged on their policies

I really can't envisage Reform coumcillors and mayors seriously dealing with local problems like pot-holes, traffic congestion, unreliable bus-services, empty or crumbling houses caused by absentee landlords, lack of local amenities, etc.

Farage has already warned of Reform crack-downs on working-from-home, and disbanding DEI units in the public sector - pure Trumpism, and a clear signal that he is not on the side of working people.

I can imagine plenty of scandals, in-fighting and financial mismanagement by Reform councillors in the next year or two - they will reveal themselves to be "just the same" (probably much worse) as the mainstream politicians they denounce via their rabble-rousing tub-thumping populism.

 

[TomandJerry]

I don’t mind the government having initiatives to support married people and help with raising kids.

As someone who doesn’t want kids though, why should I be punished and have to pay more tax because I choose not to have any? People with kids tend to use the state more than those without, and that’s fine, but they shouldn’t be paying less for it and I shouldn’t have to pay more for it.

Because it's Reform's policy to offer more tax relief to married couples and couples who have children. In an ideal world no one wants to pay more tax

 

[TomandJerry]

Yes, my hope is that having some political power at local level will cruelly expose Reform as the nasty grievance-mongers, political-opportunists and shit-stirrers most of us recognise them as.

Blaming immigrants and 'Woke' for everything will only go so far when Reform councillors and mayors actually have to make real decisions, and then be judged on their policies

I really can't envisage Reform coumcillors and mayors seriously dealing with local problems like pot-holes, traffic congestion, unreliable bus-services, empty or crumbling houses caused by absentee landlords, lack of local amenities, etc.

Farage has already warned of Reform crack-downs on working-from-home, and disbanding DEI units in the public sector - pure Trumpism, and a clear signal that he is not on the side of working people.

I can imagine plenty of scandals, in-fighting and financial mismanagement by Reform councillors in the next year or two - they will reveal themselves to be "just the same" (probably much worse) as the mainstream politicians they denounce via their rabble-rousing tub-thumping populism.

In my line of work, I work with a lot of people who are below the bread line/just about on the bread line, also spend time in pubs etc mingling with people.

Majority hold the view that DEI is a waste of tax money (why not use it for the NHS or house building?) and that people who work from home provide into the economy less (less money spent on travel/lunch out etc)

Perhaps Farage is against working from home because he perceives the above point to be true, and wants more spent to increase the treasury budget

 

[BN41Albion]

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Got used to reading this shit about America- depressing to read it about our own country now.

Utter ignorant ****s who vote for these w ankers

 

[pocketseagull]

So 'In an ideal world no one wants to pay more tax' but we should be forced to not WFH in order to spend more to increase the treasury budget.

You see the contradiction here?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Because it's Reform's policy to offer more tax relief to married couples and couples who have children. In an ideal world no one wants to pay more tax

If they implement DEI, women will find it harder to get better jobs, so they might as well have children!!!

 

[The Clamp]

Any Questions? - Nigel Huddleston MP, Tim Montgomerie, Helen Morgan MP, Lucy Powell MP - BBC Sounds

Alex Forsyth presents political debate from Epperstone Village Hall in Nottinghamshire.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Littlemo]

Because it's Reform's policy to offer more tax relief to married couples and couples who have children. In an ideal world no one wants to pay more tax

There are other ways to help them than tax relief, that’s my point. A policy that is unfair to large numbers of the country is a shit policy.

 

[BN41Albion]

I meet a bloke when I do my daily exercising in a local park who votes Reform. He has a severely autistic son. I
The only thing they are offering is a promise that they will make sure that certain groups in society will suffer more than they do. These groups will usually be vulnerable, unable to fight for themselves and constantly demonised. It's a great trick if they can pull it off as they don't need to improve anyone's lives except the multi-millionaires who fund them as long as they can distract the rest of us with performative cruelty.

Populist politics in a nutshell - always ready to fill the void. So many uneducated folk duped. So depressing.

 

[TomandJerry]

So 'In an ideal world no one wants to pay more tax' but we should be forced to not WFH in order to spend more to increase the treasury budget.

You see the contradiction here?

Well in truth no one wants to pay more tax, do they?

But more money has to be found from somewhere

 

[TomandJerry]

There are other ways to help them than tax relief, that’s my point. A policy that is unfair to large numbers of the country is a shit policy.

What would you suggest then?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I f***ing did not vote for Brexit!! And I would never vote for that **** Farage!

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen. Look at Brexit / Trump (twice). The UK is heading in that direction, as much as lots of left-leaning people (like myself) pretend that it isn’t.

I think that 'you guys' meant Britain rather than the singular you (he's in Oz)

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

In my line of work, I work with a lot of people who are below the bread line/just about on the bread line, also spend time in pubs etc mingling with people.

Majority hold the view that DEI is a waste of tax money (why not use it for the NHS or house building?) and that people who work from home provide into the economy less (less money spent on travel/lunch out etc)

Perhaps Farage is against working from home because he perceives the above point to be true, and wants more spent to increase the treasury budget

People who work from home spend exactly the same amount of money, they just spend it in different places. When it comes to it, almost everybody spends whatever they happen to earn at the time.

I'd also guess that the people who suggest councils are wasting money on DEI have little to no idea of what councils spend their money on or what their responsibilities actually are.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I think that 'you guys' meant Britain rather than the singular you (he's in Oz)

No, I think he meant @Commander specifically. And only him. Nobody else.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I f***ing did not vote for Brexit!! And I would never vote for that **** Farage!

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen. Look at Brexit / Trump (twice). The UK is heading in that direction, as much as lots of left-leaning people (like myself) pretend that it isn’t.

Canada and Australia have seen sense, and by the time the next General Election comes round, those relying on Reform to help them, will realise they’re useless, just like the voters in Clacton are doing.

 

[TomandJerry]

People who work from home spend exactly the same amount of money, they just spend it in different places. When it comes to it, almost everybody spends whatever they happen to earn at the time.

I'd also guess that the people who suggest councils are wasting money on DEI have little to no idea of what councils spend their money on or what their responsibilities actually are.

"Our research has discovered that the average week working from home costs £47.07, with combined energy, water and WiFi costs. This means that on average, you can save £9.69 per day if you WFH rather than pay to commute into the office.

With approximately 252 working days a year for full-time employees (after deducting public holidays), switching from full-time working in the office to full-time remote working can save workers up to £2441.88 annually."

That's without the income loss of rented office space that companies would otherwise be having to pay tax on

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

"Our research has discovered that the average week working from home costs £47.07, with combined energy, water and WiFi costs. This means that on average, you can save £9.69 per day if you WFH rather than pay to commute into the office.

With approximately 252 working days a year for full-time employees (after deducting public holidays), switching from full-time working in the office to full-time remote working can save workers up to £2441.88 annually."

What do you think people do with that money?

 

[TomandJerry]

What do you think people do with that money?

Who knows, put it into a savings account? Tax free ISA? Stocks and shares account? Saving accounts for their children? NS&I account? Or perhaps they spend it, who knows

 

[pocketseagull]

What do you think people do with that money?

It it can't be spent on Pret it just disappears into thin air.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Where does your 10% come from? It’s more like 40% of current potential Reform voters that have switched parties since last summer.

Sorry but no it's not.

It's there in the article, 90% of reform voters in 2024 voted reform again, 10% have switched,. 6.6% Tory, 1.8% Labour and 1.6% Libdem who voted a year ago have now voted for reform. Interesting the way the headline is written though, I can't imagine why