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[Finance] Premium Bonds - prize pool increased again - you ever have any luck?











seaford

Active member
Feb 8, 2007
347
Just found out I won £25!!
6 months into my owning bonds, a win. I said to my wife I would give it a year to see if I got a win in that time, so we are both very happy.
We always joke that we never win anything in raffles etc., hence the overexcitement at the win.
 


timbha

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
10,900
Sussex
Just found out I won £25!!
6 months into my owning bonds, a win. I said to my wife I would give it a year to see if I got a win in that time, so we are both very happy.
We always joke that we never win anything in raffles etc., hence the overexcitement at the win.
How much have you gambled?
 




Scoffers

Well-known member
Jan 13, 2004
6,878
Burgess Hill
Definitely seeing a slow down in winnings. I know 2 people who’ve got the max holding, plus I’ve got a decent amount, and all we got between us was £25 !
 


HalfaSeatOn

Well-known member
Mar 17, 2014
2,252
North West Sussex
Definitely seeing a slow down in winnings. I know 2 people who’ve got the max holding, plus I’ve got a decent amount, and all we got between us was £25 !
Just googled Yahoo Finance and the PB pot in May 24 was £453m. In May 25 £413m. NS&I has lowered the prize fund rate from 4.4% to 4% and then to 3.8%. However, the odds of any single bond winning a prize remain at 22,000 to one as NS&I has increased the number of £25 prizes to offset the reduction in mid-range prizes.
 






GJN1

Well-known member
Nov 4, 2014
1,902
Brighton
I've often thought if I ever became a billionaire I'd make a machine that buys up all the possible combinations of lottery numbers in every draw, just so I could ruin it for everyone else. Yes, I'd lose money but it would like being a backer of GB News I guess.
 


Mustafa II

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2022
2,287
Hove
I've often thought if I ever became a billionaire I'd make a machine that buys up all the possible combinations of lottery numbers in every draw, just so I could ruin it for everyone else. Yes, I'd lose money but it would like being a backer of GB News I guess.

Buying every possible combination in the UK lotto would cost about £90m per draw. Assuming there were no other winners, you should return around £13m, a loss of £77m per draw.

So if you were worth £1bn and decided to spend all your wealth doing this, then you would be skint after 11 draws, so about 2 months.
 








knocky1

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2010
13,169
Inflation erodes its value so you are gradually losing your stake
Yes. But the golden showers maybe reinvested or even spunked away on something worth more than keeping rate with inflation, such as a Business Class flight, coke for a new 1901 seat, etc etc.
We've had a return for 18 months twice the rate of inflation. The £7,500+ has either gone into Share ISAs or SIPS and earnt Dividends and increased in value (and temporarily decreased) or been put in a savings account and earnt interest.
 


timbha

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
10,900
Sussex
Yes. But the golden showers maybe reinvested or even spunked away on something worth more than keeping rate with inflation, such as a Business Class flight, coke for a new 1901 seat, etc etc.
We've had a return for 18 months twice the rate of inflation. The £7,500+ has either gone into Share ISAs or SIPS and earnt Dividends and increased in value (and temporarily decreased) or been put in a savings account and earnt interest.
The person replying to my post was, I believe talking about the money spent on purchasing the Premium Bonds not being a gamble, however I don’t feel that strongly about it 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 






Mustafa II

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2022
2,287
Hove
So the cash in your wallet is also gamble using that logic

This is true.

I actually never use cash, partly for this reason.

ALL of my money is earning interest or in an investment account (or used to overpay mortgage).

Premium Bonds is a very, very, VERY low risk gamble, but it is a gamble. It is likely to earn less than other savings or investments and your money will usually lose value overall, through inflation.

One of the main points of it is that you are gambling to win more than the other savings and investment options that can beat inflation, which are usually more sensible alternatives.
 


dazzer6666

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Mar 27, 2013
58,013
Burgess Hill
This is true.

I actually never use cash, partly for this reason.

ALL of my money is earning interest or in an investment account (or used to overpay mortgage).

Premium Bonds is a very, very, VERY low risk gamble, but it is a gamble. It is likely to earn less than other savings or investments and will usually lose value overall, through inflation. The whole point is that you are gambling to win more than the other savings and investment options that can beat inflation, which are usually more sensible alternatives.
It’s arguably a punting of the ‘lost‘ interest. As to ‘likely’, if you have the max holding and already paying tax on your interest, not sure that’s true anyway, as you are ‘likely’ to get better than the net rate you can get elsewhere (even assuming you are 100% on top of all your investments and moving money around rate-chasing).

Pretty sure it’s legally ‘gambling’ as you’re taking part in a lottery for prizes, even if your stake isn’t at risk (for example PBs aren’t an acceptable investment under Shariah laws due to this)
 






GJN1

Well-known member
Nov 4, 2014
1,902
Brighton
Buying every possible combination in the UK lotto would cost about £90m per draw. Assuming there were no other winners, you should return around £13m, a loss of £77m per draw.

So if you were worth £1bn and decided to spend all your wealth doing this, then you would be skint after 11 draws, so about 2 months.
It's only money.
 


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