[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[SouthSaxon]

Didn't Russia demand the west stop arming Ukraine, as a prerequisite to a ceasefire?

Guess who is arming Ukraine once again? It's only $50 million but it's a start.

Really excellent news if this report is accurate*. It’s starting to feel like those opportunistic meetings at the pope’s funeral have really done some good. And to think, it’s all because meeting with JD Vance pushed him over the edge.

* No reason to suggest it isn’t, other than Trump. Which is a fairly big reason, I’ll grant you

 

[amexer]

Can't help feeling that Ukraine has been shafted - USA coming in to pick over the remains like jackals. Will be interesting though if Russia now tries to move in and take 'America's' minerals - maybe it will give Ukraine a degree of protection. Would rather they'd done a deal with Europe though.

Yes but pleased it gives another reason for USA to defend Ukraine

 

[Mellotron]

This deal should basically take any notion of Russia taking all of Ukraine off the table, at the very least.

Not that I think they'd manage that anyway.

 

[Eric the meek]

Russian media can usually be relied upon to over-egg a pudding, but seems to be getting rather feverish about May 9, some eight days too early.

'US Secretary of State Marco Rubio MIGHT attend the parade in Moscow on May 9.'
"a source in the diplomatic circles" that REPORTEDLY said that "The United States MIGHT be represented at a high level.'
'this representative COULD be Secretary of State Marco Rubio," the source ALLEGEDLY said.

 

[Eric the meek]

BBC article on the resources deal:

Ukraine war latest: US has stake in securing 'peaceful' future for Ukraine, White House says after resource deal

The US and Ukraine have signed a deal that will give Washington access to some of the war-torn country's natural resources, including gold and gas.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fly high]

Russian media can usually be relied upon to over-egg a pudding, but seems to be getting rather feverish about May 9, some eight days too early.

'US Secretary of State Marco Rubio MIGHT attend the parade in Moscow on May 9.'
"a source in the diplomatic circles" that REPORTEDLY said that "The United States MIGHT be represented at a high level.'
'this representative COULD be Secretary of State Marco Rubio," the source ALLEGEDLY said.

Would confirm he is a total f##ing wanker if he does attend. Although he is anyway.

 

[timbha]

Russian media can usually be relied upon to over-egg a pudding, but seems to be getting rather feverish about May 9, some eight days too early.

'US Secretary of State Marco Rubio MIGHT attend the parade in Moscow on May 9.'
"a source in the diplomatic circles" that REPORTEDLY said that "The United States MIGHT be represented at a high level.'
'this representative COULD be Secretary of State Marco Rubio," the source ALLEGEDLY said.

Maybe they think having a US “name” there will deter Ukraine from disrupting it

 

[peterward]

Really excellent news if this report is accurate*. It’s starting to feel like those opportunistic meetings at the pope’s funeral have really done some good. And to think, it’s all because meeting with JD Vance pushed him over the edge.

* No reason to suggest it isn’t, other than Trump. Which is a fairly big reason, I’ll grant you

Its a start.

But I wonder if this is really based on any real intent to sell weapons to Ukraine over the long haul, or rather a token sale, much publiscised, more aimed at the Kremlin, to try and get the Russians to sign a deal??

 

[Eric the meek]

Maybe they think having a US “name” there will deter Ukraine from disrupting it

That thought had occurred to me as well.

I have no idea whether Ukraine intends to disrupt it or not, but I have little doubt that Russia fears disruption, hence their proposed 3 day ceasefire for ahem,
'humanitarian' reasons.

 

[Eric the meek]

Well, it won't be Mike Waltz going to Moscow.

 

[Ethelwulf]

Russian media can usually be relied upon to over-egg a pudding, but seems to be getting rather feverish about May 9, some eight days too early.

'US Secretary of State Marco Rubio MIGHT attend the parade in Moscow on May 9.'
"a source in the diplomatic circles" that REPORTEDLY said that "The United States MIGHT be represented at a high level.'
'this representative COULD be Secretary of State Marco Rubio," the source ALLEGEDLY said.

Think he has been sacked now lol

 

[raymondo]

Didn't Russia demand the west stop arming Ukraine, as a prerequisite to a ceasefire?

Guess who is arming Ukraine once again? It's only $50 million but it's a start.

If it's actually weapons then great... although I read it might be support services/Intel . Seems positive though

 

[raymondo]

Excuse my ignorance but are there significant mineral deposits in the Ukraine areas US has said should become part of Russia?

I have seen maps from Jake Broe I think... will try to find later

 

[raymondo]

Well, it won't be Mike Waltz going to Moscow.

Too pro Ukraine? Resigned on moral grounds?

 

[raymondo]

I found this useful summary of the US-Ukraine deal on Nexta:

A detailed version of it will come later, but on the surface, the deal doesn't look nearly as one-sided as earlier versions.

If that's factual then Ukraine did a good job in the negotiations.
I'm not sure there was ever a proposed minerals deal from the EU ... probably didn't want to pee on the US's party.

 

[raymondo]

Excuse my ignorance but are there significant mineral deposits in the Ukraine areas US has said should become part of Russia?

Will try to post a map below. If you google 'minerals map Ukraine ' or similar, you should get many maps produced in varying styles. I haven't overlaid with the occupied regions or by Oblast, but probably a map exists...

Google Image Result for https://i.redd.it/lsh1v09g2zob1.jpg

Actually, tons of maps in my link. Fill your boots!

 

[raymondo]

Would confirm he is a total f##ing wanker if he does attend. Although he is anyway.

If he attends I believe Trump will have ordered it. Would be a choice of a Moscow parade or the end of your career, pension, protection of your mob leader. An easy choice if one already has millions and, importantly, some moral backbone.

 

[timbha]

Will try to post a map below. If you google 'minerals map Ukraine ' or similar, you should get many maps produced in varying styles. I haven't overlaid with the occupied regions or by Oblast, but probably a map exists...

Google Image Result for https://i.redd.it/lsh1v09g2zob1.jpg

Actually, tons of maps in my link. Fill your boots!

Thanks, I’ll have a look later. Read today that there’s a lot of coal there

 

[raymondo]

Thanks, I’ll have a look later. Read today that there’s a lot of coal there

Yep

 

[raymondo]

Yep

Google the history of Hughesovka...if I've spelled that right