[Albion] Is FH really performing that badly?

[DJ Chi]

True and good observations.

I think partly what led to my frustrated thread on Saturday afternoon was the discrepancy between the two sides of our formation. Despite two newish partnerships we looked solid and threatening on our right with Wieffer and Solly, but open and disorganised on the left.

This in some ways shouldn't be a surprise, Wieffer is an excellent player who because of various injuries and one mistake against Wolves that still required a suicidal run by Perv, an excellent counterattack and a deflection to result in a goal against, has been underplayed by Hurzeler and underappreciated by the fans. He isn't outstanding at any one aspect of the game but he does everything well, and should be a regular starter imo

 

[chaileyjem]

End of the day the season has been defined by two things IMO:

and 3) beating "top 6" teams like Chelsea twice, Newcastle twice, Man United twice, Man City at home for the first time, and Spurs.
and 4) seeing two of the greatest goals i think i've seen at the Amex . ever. (Mitoma, Baleba)
and 5) having another season where we were safe from relegation - half way through the season.

 

[jackalbion]

I think the reason we are pants in defence is 50% FH and 50% injuries, with the injuries we are going to need to outscore teams, we haven't been recently, but full credit to FH he outscored them at the weekend. If we are going to be so chaotic at the back, we need to make sure we are ruthless in attack for the last 4 games, FH should concentrate on that. Sorry simple response to it, but IMO its the only way forward with our injury prone back line, and Bart being about as much use as a poppadom in goal.

 

[oldboyroy]

A massive test coming up against Newcastle who, we've beaten twice at their place. League game we defended for our lives and they missed a lot. Cup game I thought we thoroughly deserved to win, arguably 1 of our better performances this season Sunday will be tough but if we can come through that with a win the European dream still very much alive. Fab has done Eddie twice now, let's hope for a hat trick

 

[darkwolf666]

A season littered with injuries meaning that we vary rarely had the ability to play the same side twice. A defence that had not one, not two, not three but four players that were either injured or no where near being able to start, meaning that we played with two midfielders in defence. We conceded two goals and so therefore are shit despite the team fighting back and scoring two in three minutes to win the game … yeah, we’re are obviously shit.

But we were lucky, because they were worldies - apparently!

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

But we were lucky, because they were worldies - apparently!

absolutely as only shit teams score worldies …

 

[London Irish]

All the blah blah blah in this thread will be resolved by the next two games I feel. Three points across those would keep us on course. If we stumble in both games, Fab will get pelters whether anyone on here agrees or disagrees he deserves them, that's just the reality of leading a football club that's spent a fair bit of money to deepen the squad this season

 

[Balders]

All the blah blah blah in this thread will be resolved by the next two games I feel. Three points across those would keep us on course. If we stumble in both games, Fab will get pelters whether anyone on here agrees or disagrees he deserves them, that's just the reality of leading a football club that's spent a fair bit of money to deepen the squad this season

That's obviously your view, so you are saying 3pts from games at home to 3rd place Toon and away at Wolves, who have won their last six, is your expectation, if not then NSC will give him pelters judged on just 2 games out of 34, where just 1pt from those 2 games will see FH achieve our second highest points tally in the PL.

I'd say 2 points rather than 3 would be acceptable, but hey ho, what do I know, I like many others on here, take a more measured view, rather than the vociferous minority who shout the loudest, trotting out the same old nonsense on thread after thread.

 

[oldboyroy]

All the blah blah blah in this thread will be resolved by the next two games I feel. Three points across those would keep us on course. If we stumble in both games, Fab will get pelters whether anyone on here agrees or disagrees he deserves them, that's just the reality of leading a football club that's spent a fair bit of money to deepen the squad this season

No pelters from me but I will be disappointed if we fail to win any of the games left as i just hate it when we lose anyway. Be a bonus if we still have a chance of a place in Europe going into the last game even if we need favours from others.

 

[American Seagle]

He looked neither comfortable nor solid on his own in midfield at Nottingham Forest. He was hung out to dry by Fab there.


If you want stats you can compare a player's seasons using the Premier League comparison tool. Attacking wise, Jack's goals per minute and shooting accuracy were way better under RDZ despite fewer games (12 last season, 29 this).

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Teamplay isn't measured per minute or per game but it's broadly similar between the two coaches.
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Defensively he had more interceptions per game and fewer tackles per game under RDZ. He's conceded around 1.4 goals per game under both coaches.

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Remember though this is just Premier League. JH had two Europa League games last season.

So, overall he's had pretty similar seasons albeit he's played more this season as not injured, was more effective in attack under RDZ and had to play on his own in midfield against a side with the pace of Usain Bolt.

I wouldn't count one game for any player as a metric for their whole season.
The stats show exactly what I said. He has looked as good as last year. He has not gone backwards like people claim.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I wouldn't count one game for any player as a metric for their whole season.
The stats show exactly what I said. He has looked as good as last year. He has not gone backwards like people claim.

They don’t show exactly that. They show he’s been worse going forward and the same for the rest of his game at a time he should be improving.

As @Jimmy Grimble said though it’s partly how he was being used by either coach. I guess you’d have to ask him which role he prefers.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

That's obviously your view, so you are saying 3pts from games at home to 3rd place Toon and away at Wolves, who have won their last six, is your expectation, if not then NSC will give him pelters judged on just 2 games out of 34, where just 1pt from those 2 games will see FH achieve our second highest points tally in the PL.

I'd say 2 points rather than 3 would be acceptable, but hey ho, what do I know, I like many others on here, take a more measured view, rather than the vociferous minority who shout the loudest, trotting out the same old nonsense on thread after thread.

Only nonsense in your opinion though, I’ve seen plenty of nonsense from the majority as well

As an aside, I think somehow, we’re still in with a really good chance.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

and 3) beating "top 6" teams like Chelsea twice, Newcastle twice, Man United twice, Man City at home for the first time, and Spurs.
and 4) seeing two of the greatest goals i think i've seen at the Amex . ever. (Mitoma, Baleba)
and 5) having another season where we were safe from relegation - half way through the season.

I like your vibe but beating Man City at home for the first time? Mr Burn might disagree with that (Mr Kuipers will have to accept you meant in the premier league).

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

A massive test coming up against Newcastle who, we've beaten twice at their place. League game we defended for our lives and they missed a lot. Cup game I thought we thoroughly deserved to win, arguably 1 of our better performances this season Sunday will be tough but if we can come through that with a win the European dream still very much alive. Fab has done Eddie twice now, let's hope for a hat trick

I don’t recall them creating much at Newcastle, we were just very well organised. In fact towards the end we could have increased the margin.

 

[Balders]

Only nonsense in your opinion though, I’ve seen plenty of nonsense from the majority as well

As an aside, I think somehow, we’re still in with a really good chance.

I'm enjoying our jousting btw

So what arbitrary points total from the next 2 games is your view, as to the trigger for FH getting pelters from NSC

If we get duffed up 5-0 at home by Toon, I'm assuming due to this arbitrary judgement then no pelters will be allowed on NSC until the Wolves game, and if we sneak that 1-0 with a last minute winner, then FH is in the clear?

That's what I'm meaning by nonsense...... Don't forget whether we win all four or lose all four, FH will still get pelters regardless

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I'm enjoying our jousting btw

So what arbitrary points total from the next 2 games is your view, as to the trigger for FH getting pelters from NSC

If we get duffed up 5-0 at home by Toon, I'm assuming due to this arbitrary judgement then no pelters will be allowed on NSC until the Wolves game, and if we sneak that 1-0 with a last minute winner, then FH is in the clear?

That's what I'm meaning by nonsense...... Don't forget whether we win all four or lose all four, FH will still get pelters regardless

Me too

No, in another thread, pre West Ham, I felt we’d get 11 from 5.

I think a draw vs Newcastle and Spurs and win the rest…… one down.

In terms of the pelters and FH, I changed my opinion post Brentford, because the set-up and goals were so poor, and FH just doesn’t seem to be evolving/learning.
So for me, the damage is already done, pelters at the ready.
That said, if we don’t do anything stupid, (high line against faster players, being the primary one), I’ll probably just go with the flow.

To actually answer the question, if we hold European ambition I’d suggest 3, because we should beat Wolves (6 wins or not).

On our day, there is nobody we should fear, we just need to set up right.

 

[Balders]

Me too

No, in another thread, pre West Ham, I felt we’d get 11 from 5.

I think a draw vs Newcastle and Spurs and win the rest…… one down.

In terms of the pelters and FH, I changed my opinion post Brentford, because the set-up and goals were so poor, and FH just doesn’t to be evolving/learning.
So for me, the damage is already done, pelters at the ready.
That said, if we don’t do anything stupid, (high line against faster players, being the primary one), I’ll probably just go with the flow.

To actually answer the question, if we hold European ambition I’d suggest 3, because we should beat Wolves (6 wins or not).

On our day, there is nobody we should fear, we just need to set up right.

I note that you dodged the question I asked in respect of your view of putting an arbitrary points total from the next 2 games as to it being the trigger for pelters (the reference to nonsense!)

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I note that you dodged the question I asked in respect of your view of putting an arbitrary points total from the next 2 games as to it being the trigger for pelters (the reference to nonsense!)

It really depends what the nature of performance is….

If pushed, I think a single point would be very disappointing.

 

[oldboyroy]

I don’t recall them creating much at Newcastle, we were just very well organised. In fact towards the end we could have increased the margin.

They dominated but we defended brilliantly and Bart made a couple of huge saves as well as Newcastle missing the target a lot. We created 1 or 2 near the end but overall most commentators/pundits and Eddie Howe didn't believe how they lost that game.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

They dominated but we defended brilliantly and Bart made a couple of huge saves as well as Newcastle missing the target a lot. We created 1 or 2 near the end but overall most commentators/pundits and Eddie Howe didn't believe how they lost that game.

I was there and can just about remember two big chances for them.

Edit - just looked at the stats, they had a lot of shots, but only one more on target than us.