[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

An update on your previous thoughts @Eric the meek

 

[raymondo]

 

[sully]

There’s a lot in that post.

It’s fine I understand you are comfortable with the U.K. relying on other countries industry to support its defence strategy. That position for me is sub optimal, as neatly demonstrated by the recent election of Trump.

If this country’s defence strategy is tied to other countries industrial output we are significantly less independent in our own ability to produce armaments and exports themto allies. That may be the only viable option for the British Government today, however it equally means we are a diminished global power.

Reliance on other countries industries and resources to support our defence will also mean that we will have to pay more.

And there’s the ultimate point, I am comfortable that this country steps back from global politics, our finances are shot, we have a limited industrial base to be at the top table and beyond the nuclear warheads we have a feeble conventional military.

Ukraine has demonstrated beyond measure that the Russian military machine has limitations, however the war continues and Russia still occupies 20% of Ukraine.

The one point we can agree on, is the likelihood of European conquest by Russia. For different reasons, not going to happen, this country’s politicians should recognise that and have a debate with the country on what type of defense strategy we can afford going forward.

Can you name a country that is wholly independent in its defence?
I don’t know why you keep banging the same drum apart from having nothing else to contribute.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yep, a blatant false flag

I don't think it counts as a false flag, because Russia blew it up whilst trying to take their land back, rather than blowing it up purely for the reason of blaming Ukraine.

 

[Triggaaar]

Europe is never going to invade Russia for any other reason than it’s too big. Why did you even bring that up, I mean what’s the point.

I think you misread his post. He said Russia won't conquer Europe.

 

[Triggaaar]

Different standards..

If he's really a pro-Kremlin blogger I don't see why he'd post that. Maybe he's happy to report the truth?

 

[Eric the meek]

An update on your previous thoughts @Eric the meek

First, this is the original article about the blood feud. It dates back to October, so this is just for background and context. It is possible it isn't relevant to the latest events.

What Kadyrov’s ‘Blood Feud’ Declaration Really Means - The Moscow Times

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has declared a “blood feud” against three federal-level lawmakers hailing from the neighboring republics of Dagestan and Ingushetia. The statement was yet another twist in the months-long dispute between Tatiana Kim, the CEO of Russia’s largest online retailer...

www.themoscowtimes.com

More recently, on 24 March, Solovyov was reported as forced to apologise on film to a Kadyrov associate. If we bypass the detail of the original outburst, and the subsequent apology, this episode first illustrates Kadyrov's power, but also suggests that control by the Kremlin of Solovyov and maybe the other propagandists, is becoming at least blurred. The messaging is confused. Taking it a step further, it is possible some kind of power struggle is going on.

Putin propagandist forced to apologize after clash with Kadyrov ally

Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov was forced to film an apology after rebuking military blogger Roman Alekhine live on air.

www.newsweek.com

Power struggles are mentioned in this Meduza report from March 27. Chechens are subject to a “strict order from the top” barring Chechen leaders and security officials from engaging in such conflicts or drawing public attention in general. Which inadvertently confirms there are power struggles going on.

Kadyrov–Putin relations reportedly sour over unsanctioned talks with Middle Eastern countries

Relations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chechnya Governor Ramzan Kadyrov have soured in recent months, the independent outlet iStories reported on Thursday, citing current and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officers, a journalist in the North Caucasus, and human rights...

meduza.io

So it seems there is division in the Kremlin, and we are seeing just the signs at the surface.

(Sorry for the long post on matchday).

 

[fly high]

First, this is the original article about the blood feud. It dates back to October, so this is just for background and context. It is possible it isn't relevant to the latest events.

What Kadyrov’s ‘Blood Feud’ Declaration Really Means - The Moscow Times

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has declared a “blood feud” against three federal-level lawmakers hailing from the neighboring republics of Dagestan and Ingushetia. The statement was yet another twist in the months-long dispute between Tatiana Kim, the CEO of Russia’s largest online retailer...

www.themoscowtimes.com

More recently, on 24 March, Solovyov was reported as forced to apologise on film to a Kadyrov associate. If we bypass the detail of the original outburst, and the subsequent apology, this episode first illustrates Kadyrov's power, but also suggests that control by the Kremlin of Solovyov and maybe the other propagandists, is becoming at least blurred. The messaging is confused. Taking it a step further, it is possible some kind of power struggle is going on.

Putin propagandist forced to apologize after clash with Kadyrov ally

Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov was forced to film an apology after rebuking military blogger Roman Alekhine live on air.

www.newsweek.com

Power struggles are mentioned in this Meduza report from March 27. Chechens are subject to a “strict order from the top” barring Chechen leaders and security officials from engaging in such conflicts or drawing public attention in general. Which inadvertently confirms there are power struggles going on.

Kadyrov–Putin relations reportedly sour over unsanctioned talks with Middle Eastern countries

Relations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chechnya Governor Ramzan Kadyrov have soured in recent months, the independent outlet iStories reported on Thursday, citing current and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officers, a journalist in the North Caucasus, and human rights...

meduza.io

So it seems there is division in the Kremlin, and we are seeing just the signs at the surface.

(Sorry for the long post on matchday).

That's OK, I'll save it for Monday, if that's OK. Mother's Day tomorrow so a bit busy.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I think you misread his post. He said Russia won't conquer Europe.

I had beer last night

 

[Sirnormangall]

First, this is the original article about the blood feud. It dates back to October, so this is just for background and context. It is possible it isn't relevant to the latest events.

What Kadyrov’s ‘Blood Feud’ Declaration Really Means - The Moscow Times

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has declared a “blood feud” against three federal-level lawmakers hailing from the neighboring republics of Dagestan and Ingushetia. The statement was yet another twist in the months-long dispute between Tatiana Kim, the CEO of Russia’s largest online retailer...

www.themoscowtimes.com

More recently, on 24 March, Solovyov was reported as forced to apologise on film to a Kadyrov associate. If we bypass the detail of the original outburst, and the subsequent apology, this episode first illustrates Kadyrov's power, but also suggests that control by the Kremlin of Solovyov and maybe the other propagandists, is becoming at least blurred. The messaging is confused. Taking it a step further, it is possible some kind of power struggle is going on.

Putin propagandist forced to apologize after clash with Kadyrov ally

Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov was forced to film an apology after rebuking military blogger Roman Alekhine live on air.

www.newsweek.com

Power struggles are mentioned in this Meduza report from March 27. Chechens are subject to a “strict order from the top” barring Chechen leaders and security officials from engaging in such conflicts or drawing public attention in general. Which inadvertently confirms there are power struggles going on.

Kadyrov–Putin relations reportedly sour over unsanctioned talks with Middle Eastern countries

Relations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chechnya Governor Ramzan Kadyrov have soured in recent months, the independent outlet iStories reported on Thursday, citing current and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officers, a journalist in the North Caucasus, and human rights...

meduza.io

So it seems there is division in the Kremlin, and we are seeing just the signs at the surface.

(Sorry for the long post on matchday).

Good to see something else to occupy Putin at this time. Russia hasn’t found it easy to keep a lid on Chechnya and if Kadyrov goes there will likely be more trouble in Putin’s backyard

 

[raymondo]

First, this is the original article about the blood feud. It dates back to October, so this is just for background and context. It is possible it isn't relevant to the latest events.

What Kadyrov’s ‘Blood Feud’ Declaration Really Means - The Moscow Times

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has declared a “blood feud” against three federal-level lawmakers hailing from the neighboring republics of Dagestan and Ingushetia. The statement was yet another twist in the months-long dispute between Tatiana Kim, the CEO of Russia’s largest online retailer...

www.themoscowtimes.com

More recently, on 24 March, Solovyov was reported as forced to apologise on film to a Kadyrov associate. If we bypass the detail of the original outburst, and the subsequent apology, this episode first illustrates Kadyrov's power, but also suggests that control by the Kremlin of Solovyov and maybe the other propagandists, is becoming at least blurred. The messaging is confused. Taking it a step further, it is possible some kind of power struggle is going on.

Putin propagandist forced to apologize after clash with Kadyrov ally

Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov was forced to film an apology after rebuking military blogger Roman Alekhine live on air.

www.newsweek.com

Power struggles are mentioned in this Meduza report from March 27. Chechens are subject to a “strict order from the top” barring Chechen leaders and security officials from engaging in such conflicts or drawing public attention in general. Which inadvertently confirms there are power struggles going on.

Kadyrov–Putin relations reportedly sour over unsanctioned talks with Middle Eastern countries

Relations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chechnya Governor Ramzan Kadyrov have soured in recent months, the independent outlet iStories reported on Thursday, citing current and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officers, a journalist in the North Caucasus, and human rights...

meduza.io

So it seems there is division in the Kremlin, and we are seeing just the signs at the surface.

(Sorry for the long post on matchday).

Interesting thanks , and I was unaware of the forced apology from Solovyov.
As you say, a lot going on.

 

[raymondo]

Nice summary of the impact of Ukraine's strikes on oil, gas and weapon storage these recent months.

 

[raymondo]

Reported that Germany has taken ownership of the fuel.

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

There’s a lot in that post.

It’s fine I understand you are comfortable with the U.K. relying on other countries industry to support its defence strategy. That position for me is sub optimal, as neatly demonstrated by the recent election of Trump.

If this country’s defence strategy is tied to other countries industrial output we are significantly less independent in our own ability to produce armaments and exports themto allies. That may be the only viable option for the British Government today, however it equally means we are a diminished global power.

Reliance on other countries industries and resources to support our defence will also mean that we will have to pay more.

And there’s the ultimate point, I am comfortable that this country steps back from global politics, our finances are shot, we have a limited industrial base to be at the top table and beyond the nuclear warheads we have a feeble conventional military.

Ukraine has demonstrated beyond measure that the Russian military machine has limitations, however the war continues and Russia still occupies 20% of Ukraine.

The one point we can agree on, is the likelihood of European conquest by Russia. For different reasons, not going to happen, this country’s politicians should recognise that and have a debate with the country on what type of defense strategy we can afford going forward.

You seem to have some sort of strange Russian based agenda. Not sure exactly what you’re trying to achieve but as I’ve previously said you’re pissing in the wind on here. You’re not going to influence anyone. We are too clued up for that. So stop wasting everyone’s time and f*ck off

 

[raymondo]

 

[Eric the meek]

To take your minds off the football...

 

[Sirnormangall]

To take your minds off the football...

I know the Trump administration struggles to admit when they’re wrong but surely even Trump will run out of patience with this moron

 

[Sirnormangall]

Reported that Germany has taken ownership of the fuel.

Excellent news. Presumably this was in the Baltic? Hope to see more of this sort of action.

 

[Eric the meek]

I know the Trump administration struggles to admit when they’re wrong but surely even Trump will run out of patience with this moron

Maybe, but Trump appointed him. On a separate note, Vance wants Waltz to take the rap for Signalgate, (for which to be fair, he has accepted responsibility).

There's more to come from this shower. Their disadvantage isn't just their policies; it's also their insufferable arrogance.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Maybe, but Trump appointed him. On a separate note, Vance wants Waltz to take the rap for Signalgate, (for which to be fair, he has accepted responsibility).

There's more to come from this shower. Their disadvantage isn't just their policies; it's also their insufferable arrogance.

You’d think that Putin and chums must be having a good old laugh at the arrogance and amateurism of the Trump administration - but they must also wonder if they’re part of a huge US con trick