[Football] Relegation candidates next season

[Kinky Gerbil]

I think if you break the Spurs team down individually and sold them then I think they'd all go to elite clubs and for good money too.

A 1st XI of Vicario, Porro, Udogie, Romero, Van De Ven, Bentancur, Bergvall, Kulusevski, Son, Maddison and Solanke under a proper coach would be 6th-10th, depending upon their defensive set-up. However, Ange has fallen off a cliff in 24/25, and his squad seems to pick up a lot of injuries too, so there are question marks about training and recovery.

He will be sacked, but I can't see him do a Nuno Espirito Santo and being successful in the Prem with another club.

He's comments at Celtic about not really caring about injuries and the complete shit show this season of injuries are no coincidence.

I think the only players that haven't been out for a period of time is Porro

Highest recover sprints in the league
Highest sprints as well I believe

Twinning this with high intensity training is insane.

Two must likely ways to pull a hamstring, sprinting and lunges , his asking players to do both at the same time

Players without a history of hamstring / muscle injuries going down 2/3 times a season

Bloke isn't a serious football manager

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Levy is Joe Lewis Son-in-Law which means it's all in the family.

Believe this is a bit of an urban myth.

 

[drew]

Levy is Joe Lewis Son-in-Law which means it's all in the family.

Is he? Wikipedia doesn't mention it and google just refers to a financial link between the two! Levy is married to his former PA, Tracy Dixon.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Palace overachieve season after season. Eventually they will go And it could be next season if they get raided in the summer.

 

[US Seagull]

Historically, it's pretty unusual for all three teams promoted to go straight back down again. That it looks like it might happen for the second year running is a bit worrying.

Might as well close the EPL with just 17 teams and not bother with promotion/relegation*. It would save 6 games a year, which would help all those "big" teams whining about how many games they have to play.

[* not a serious suggestion]

 

[Pavilionaire]

I predicted some years ago that we'd reach a point where the same 6 - 8 clubs would be swapping places on a regular basis, I'm just surprised it took as long to happen as it has.

Clubs like us, Bournemouth and Brentford are very well-run and have simply recruited smarter. Not only has this put them above complacent big teams like Man Utd, Spurs, West Ham and Everton, but it also seems to have raised the bar generally. Even basket case clubs like Newcastle and Forest, even Palace, seem to have got their act together.

However, I don't see any of the current Championship teams showing they recruit smart and therefore I can see Leeds, Sheff Utd, Burnley all coming up and going straight back down again.

If you want more indicators look at the managers - no Hurzeler, Iraola or Thomas Frank calibre there. Daniel Farke, Chris Wilder, Scott Parker - all of them have been relegated from the Prem before, and in every case they've experienced horror runs and departed the stage a gibbering wreck.

If you combined their Prem managerial records then that trio average a shade under 7 wins and 29 points per season, and those stats include an outlier when the Blades finished 9th before going down the following season.

The only chance of a more established club going down is if the big boys come en masse and take the heart out of a side. Wolves will probably lose Cunha and Ait Nouri but will get a decent wedge there, while their remaining squad including Strand Larsen, Bellegarde, Hwang, Doyle, Joao Gomes, Andre, Semedo.

For me that still puts them miles ahead of the Championship lot.

 

[Motogull]

Historically, it's pretty unusual for all three teams promoted to go straight back down again. That it looks like it might happen for the second year running is a bit worrying.

Might as well close the EPL with just 17 teams and not bother with promotion/relegation*. It would save 6 games a year, which would help all those "big" teams whining about how many games they have to play.

[* not a serious suggestion]

Maybe 3 going down will change to 6 at some point?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Palace overachieve season after season. Eventually they will go And it could be next season if they get raided in the summer.

You can't finish 10th - 15th for 11 seasons in a row and be over-achieving all that time.

Their playbook is to hire a very experienced manager and overprice all of your top players, so you only lose one per season.

That said, they have a decent squad with Guehi, Wharton, Eze, Mateta all stand-out players but there are some very big teams who have under-achieved in 24/25 and will no doubt come calling. However, like Wolves, they surely have too many other decent Prem players (Henderson, Andersen, Lacroix, Munoz, Mitchell, Doucoure, Hughes, Sarr) to be in danger, and they have been recruiting well in the last 1-2 seasons.

 

[loz]

Palace overachieve season after season. Eventually they will go And it could be next season if they get raided in the summer.

If anything very much underachieved this season I would have said, oh for that awful start palace should have been 3 or 4 places higher.

 

[Seagull58]

I think if you break the Spurs team down individually and sold them then I think they'd all go to elite clubs and for good money too.

A 1st XI of Vicario, Porro, Udogie, Romero, Van De Ven, Bentancur, Bergvall, Kulusevski, Son, Maddison and Solanke under a proper coach would be 6th-10th, depending upon their defensive set-up. However, Ange has fallen off a cliff in 24/25, and his squad seems to pick up a lot of injuries too, so there are question marks about training and recovery.

He will be sacked, but I can't see him do a Nuno Espirito Santo and being successful in the Prem with another club.

Virtually every time I watch Spurs Kulusevski is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. I mean, Son is quality and Maddison has his (occasional) moments but they seem to be massively reliant on Kulusevski. If he leaves or picks up a long-term injury they will struggle even more. On the hand, a half-decent manager would improve the rest of them.

 

[DJ NOBO]

You can't finish 10th - 15th for 11 seasons in a row and be over-achieving all that time.

Their playbook is to hire a very experienced manager and overprice all of your top players, so you only lose one per season.

That said, they have a decent squad with Guehi, Wharton, Eze, Mateta all stand-out players but there are some very big teams who have under-achieved in 24/25 and will no doubt come calling. However, like Wolves, they surely have too many other decent Prem players (Henderson, Andersen, Lacroix, Munoz, Mitchell, Doucoure, Hughes, Sarr) to be in danger, and they have been recruiting well in the last 1-2 seasons.

There’s no need to be like that. It’s a friendly message board.

 

[Brovion]

Palace overachieve season after season. Eventually they will go And it could be next season if they get raided in the summer.

Hmm. Do they? Or have they simply got a model (different from ours) that works extremely well for them? We've been in the PL together for seven seasons, and in five of those they've finished above us. Currently they've got a *grits teeth* decent side and a decent manager, and they could finish above us this season as well - and maybe win the Cup.

Every season we expect them to go and every season they disappoint us, and that's not just luck. Of course we hope that this off-season they'll lose all their best players and the manager, and then struggle, but I think we'll be disappointed (again).

 

[DJ NOBO]

Hmm. Do they? Or have they simply got a model (different from ours) that works extremely well for them? We've been in the PL together for seven seasons, and in five of those they've finished above us. Currently they've got a *grits teeth* decent side and a decent manager, and they could finish above us this season as well - and maybe win the Cup.

Every season we expect them to go and every season they disappoint us, and that's not just luck. Of course we hope that this off-

To @Pavilionaire too…

Yes, Tbf they do now have several good players including current England players so my stated view is a bit dated. Painful as it is, the exit of Zaha just hasn’t had the desired effect.
Still hoping their best players will want to move on and they’ll eventually find themselves with a collection of Eduoards. And then go down.

 

[Hovegull]

I’d rather Palace stayed up. Maybe after a tough relegation battle each season but it’s more fun if they are in our league.
Would much rather them than be replaced by Sheffield Utd or Burnley tbh.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

If anything very much underachieved this season I would have said, oh for that awful start palace should have been 3 or 4 places higher.

All teams have a bad run at some point in the season.

You sold 2 key players and had to adapt.
I don't think that's "underachieving".

It's a bit like us saying we underachieved last season after losing Mac and Caicedo.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I'm really hoping that the Premier League have the balls to relegate City and that Ioswich have enough about them to be the one that stays up.

As others have said PSR and Parachute payments are combining to create a closed shop.
Particularly as any excess parachute payments from bounce-back teams are being distributed back to the Premier League clubs and not the Championship teams.

It would be interesting to see how Ipswich would fare against the promoted 3, but other than that there aren't any other teams likely to get dragged into it.

 

[Hovegull]

I'm really hoping that the Premier League have the balls to relegate City and that Ioswich have enough about them to be the one that stays up.

As others have said PSR and Parachute payments are combining to create a closed shop.
Particularly as any excess parachute payments from bounce-back teams are being distributed back to the Premier League clubs and not the Championship teams.

It would be interesting to see how Ipswich would fare against the promoted 3, but other than that there aren't any other teams likely to get dragged into it.

But Ipswich can’t win a game, in the same way as Leicester can’t nor Southampton. Ipswich don’t deserve to stay up anymore than the others and would be the worst out of Leeds, Burnley, Sheffield Utd and Ipswich.

 

[Han Solo]

Hmm. Do they? Or have they simply got a model (different from ours) that works extremely well for them? We've been in the PL together for seven seasons, and in five of those they've finished above us. Currently they've got a *grits teeth* decent side and a decent manager, and they could finish above us this season as well - and maybe win the Cup.

Every season we expect them to go and every season they disappoint us, and that's not just luck. Of course we hope that this off-season they'll lose all their best players and the manager, and then struggle, but I think we'll be disappointed (again).

Indeed. They are not as clever as we are - the whole "oops, we f***ed up, lets hire Roy again" thing isn't something that could happen in Brighton. They have good scouting, but they can't unearth a player in the Dutch second division or the Ecuadorian league like Brighton can. But they're still one of the ten or so best run clubs and there's no chance they're going down given what the PL looks like currently.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

But Ipswich can’t win a game, in the same way as Leicester can’t nor Southampton. Ipswich don’t deserve to stay up anymore than the others and would be the worst out of Leeds, Burnley, Sheffield Utd and Ipswich.

Leicester and Ipswich both looked pretty good in the championship and finished above a Leeds team that included Giorginio and Summerville.
In that same season, Burnley & Sheffield Utd looked every bit as bad as Southampton and Leicester do this season.

What makes you think that Ipswich are going to suddenly be much worse than Leeds, Burnley & Sheff U, next season?

 

[Flounce]

I’d rather Palace stayed up. Maybe after a tough relegation battle each season but it’s more fun if they are in our league.
Would much rather them than be replaced by Sheffield Utd or Burnley tbh.

Used to be my “games of the season”. I now hate playing them

I’d love to see them relegated to avoid playing them.