[Politics] Brexit - 9 years on, time for a poll ?

[Springal]

I don't think it's that far fetched. A huge number of NHS contracts are outsourced to private companies already - Virgin alone get something like £2bn. You can find the stories in (respectable, evidence-based newspapers) about how many Tories are linked to private healthcare companies winning billions in contracts. it feels like a short step from that to the NHS being more a function of divvying out contracts to private providers and basically being a broker for patients on a tiered system from free (not great) to different levels of payment for services.

Blair kicked off the Virgin thing - https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ou...-mysterious-report-into-nhs-customer-service/

But the NHS relies on private healthcare to function anyway down to how stretched it is. The ops they do go to Nuffield and BUPA are costing a lot

 

[nicko31]

The real cost of imposing economic sanctions is now coming out in the wash. Big cut to GDP means higher taxes and yet more austerity.

 

[Chicken Run]

So by your logic, we're not allowed to mention a single sector that has at least one Brit working in it. And given that, what exactly was the point of your question?

My logic is that you can’t make sweeping statements such as “As for immigration, we need the people coming in on visas to do the jobs Brits won’t.” When in fact they actually do

And that’s my point

 

[lawros left foot]

My logic is that you can’t make sweeping statements such as “As for immigration, we need the people coming in on visas to do the jobs Brits won’t.” When in fact they actually do

And that’s my point

And my point is, not enough Brits will do the jobs, (care, agriculture, construction, hospitality, in particular) that immigration is needed to fill. It doesn’t matter how many, or indeed, how few, Brits will do it, the brutal fact is, there are not enough. You can argue till the cows come home, ‘some Brits do, do these jobs’ you’re right in that respect, but, it is also right, for various reasons, not enough Brits will do it.

 

[Chicken Run]

but, it is also right, for various reasons, not enough Brits will do it.

Yes but you didn’t say that though did you, you said and i quote “As for immigration, we need the people coming in on visas to do the jobs Brits won’t.”

The devil my friend is in the detail

 

[Lever]

Genuine question, apart from seasonal fruit picking, what sort of jobs are these visa immigrants needed for that Brits won’t do?

It's not that British people wont do tough jobs, they just won't do them for degrading amounts of pay.

https://www.totaljobs.com/salary-checker/average-care-worker-salary

 

[lawros left foot]

Yes but you didn’t say that though did you, you said and i quote “As for immigration, we need the people coming in on visas to do the jobs Brits won’t.”

The devil my friend is in the detail

Sorry, I didn’t realise that you were so hard of understanding that I would have to include a specific explanation of which jobs, how many Brits actually work in those industries, the amount, as a percentage of immigrants employed in said industries, how many were employed pre- Brexit, and what is now the shortfall of employees employed in those industries, and how many unfilled vacancies in relevant industries.

Phew, either I should stop over estimating the intelligence of some posters, or maybe stick to the Joke De Jour thread.

 

[Lever]

Yes but you didn’t say that though did you, you said and i quote “As for immigration, we need the people coming in on visas to do the jobs Brits won’t.”

The devil my friend is in the detail

I know it was not directed at me, but I can categorically state that I am not your friend; I don't know you..... but here is some detail for your cliched devil..... https://www.cashlady.com/info/worst-paying-jobs-uk

Which of these jobs do you fancy for that pay?

 

[Chicken Run]

Sorry, I didn’t realise that you were so hard of understanding that I would have to include a specific explanation of which jobs, how many Brits actually work in those industries, the amount, as a percentage of immigrants employed in said industries, how many were employed pre- Brexit, and what is now the shortfall of employees employed in those industries, and how many unfilled vacancies in relevant industries.

Phew, either I should stop over estimating the intelligence of some posters, or maybe stick to the Joke De Jour thread.

Now you’re being rude

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sorry, I didn’t realise that you were so hard of understanding that I would have to include a specific explanation of which jobs, how many Brits actually work in those industries, the amount, as a percentage of immigrants employed in said industries, how many were employed pre- Brexit, and what is now the shortfall of employees employed in those industries, and how many unfilled vacancies in relevant industries.

Phew, either I should stop over estimating the intelligence of some posters, or maybe stick to the Joke De Jour thread.

After I unsuccessfully tried to explain to him this morning about the numbers of immigrants in the NHS, I had a funny feeling this idiocy may last all day.

So I logged off and spent the rest of today throwing myself off the top of mountains. Far more productive

 

[lawros left foot]

Now you’re being rude

Or truthful.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Your poll includes 2 options to renegotiate the Brexit deal (both outside the CU, one a harder Brexit deal), but what about the renegotiations options for rejoining the EU or CU? A large part of the reason we left was because people weren't happy with the deal we had with the EU, so whether people would be in favour of rejoining or not would depend on the deal offered.

My assumption was Trig, that whatever option would take a lot of renegotiating. That brilliant deal that politicians of every political hue had spent 40 years negotiating with the EU has gone for ever.

There will always be a significant cost to idiocy on this scale

 

[Triggaaar]

That brilliant deal that politicians of every political hue had spent 40 years negotiating with the EU has gone for ever.

What evidence do you have that it was a brilliant deal? I thought it was rubbish.

I certainly wouldn't vote to rejoin the EU on worse terms than we had.

 

[WATFORD zero]

What evidence do you have that it was a brilliant deal? I thought it was rubbish.

I certainly wouldn't vote to rejoin the EU on worse terms than we had.

Well don't vote to rejoin then because whatever we get offered won't be any better than we had

 

[Triggaaar]

Well don't vote to rejoin then because whatever we get offered won't be any better than we had

I didn't say it had to be better.

 

[Lever]

 

[Hugo Rune]

Who knows however down here on the street to reassure somewhat i drop plenty of Nursing Students off at Brighton & Sussex Universities and i’d say the majority are UK born

The nursing courses at both of these city institutions are down on numbers and in decline.

The government needs to take serious action on this ASAP before UK born nurses become a rarity.

These courses see the nursing students do a lot of placement training. As @Thunder Bolt implied, the students should be paid for this. They should not be reliant on loans.

 

[Lever]

The nursing courses at both of these city institutions are down on numbers and in decline.

The government needs to take serious action on this ASAP before UK born nurses become a rarity.

These courses see the nursing students do a lot of placement training. As @Thunder Bolt implied, the students should be paid for this. They should not be reliant on loans.

'Applications to nursing and midwifery degree courses in the UK have fallen for a fourth consecutive year, according to the first data released by the Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (UCAS) for the 2025-26 academic year.'

Another fall in student nurse applications, first 2025 data reveals | Nursing Times

Read about the first UCAS data for the 2025-26 academic year, which shows dwindling interest in nurse degrees year on year.

www.nursingtimes.net

Note: this information is based on data gathered by 'Nursing Times' researchers, whereas I suspect Chicken Run's hypothesis is based on the number of nurses to whom he gives a lift.

You couldn't make it up.....

 

[Lever]

...and where are the Brexit benefits to offset this tragedy?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

...and where are the Brexit benefits to offset this tragedy?

This was all discussed in length in the Brexit thread by myself and others, and dismissed as Project Fear by many. It was so obvious.