- May 8, 2018
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[Politics] Brexit - 9 years on, time for a poll ?
- Thread starter WATFORD zero
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- Jul 17, 2003
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I want to know what jobs Brits won’t do that requires visa carrying overseas folk to do apart from fruit picking
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Nursing. It is cheaper to issue visas to qualified overseas nurses than to train our own.
When we had our own qualified nurses, the wages were poor so they went to Canada, Australia and NZ. See dentists and doctors also.
- Jul 17, 2003
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Agreed but are you saying that there are no British Nurses either qualified or training at present?
I’ll answer that for you TB no you’re not
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Not enough to fill the previously mentioned 40,000 vacancies.Agreed but are you saying that there are no British Nurses either qualified or training at present?
I’ll answer that for you TB no you’re not
- Jul 17, 2003
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Again agreed but say Brits don’t want to become Nurses is disingenuous
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I didn't, but who wants to work for poor wages with a student debt hanging over their head?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
- Jul 17, 2003
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Who knows however down here on the street to reassure somewhat i drop plenty of Nursing Students off at Brighton & Sussex Universities and i’d say the majority are UK born
- Jul 17, 2003
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That article is two years old
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The Brexit vote was 10 years ago. 8 years after that it is still having a knock on effect.That article is two years old
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
40,000 of them? As has been said, the British ones training are just a drop in the ocean.Who knows however down here on the street to reassure somewhat i drop plenty of Nursing Students off at Brighton & Sussex Universities and i’d say the majority are UK born
We have had immigrants working in the NHS for donkey's years.
We appealed to the Commonwealth back in the 60s when the West Indian nurses came over.
- Apr 19, 2018
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There are 40,000 vacancies, fewer than that training, and the number is declining year on year with a 25% drop just in the past 4 years. We ask our trainee nurses and GPs to get in astronomical debt to qualify and then pay them substandard wages and oddly enough, that's not attracting people to the profession. It's not that no British people want to work in the sectors, it's that not enough want to get in the debt and earn the low income for a skilled role, and at the current rate of decline how long before nursing colleges start closing? Factor in attrition (retiring, dying, changing profession, moving overseas) and it's challenging to see those 40,000 vacancies ever being filled.Agreed but are you saying that there are no British Nurses either qualified or training at present?
I’ll answer that for you TB no you’re not
Around a week after the referendum one of the senior people in the NHS said it'd take 20 years of policy change and education to be in a position where they could rely on British staff to fill the gaps that'd be created (and have subsequently been created) by leaving EU workers. 9 years on and it's not looking great is it?
- May 8, 2018
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Brits work in all sectors, the above examples are where there is an under representation of brits “who won’t do it” so it’s served heavily with resource from overseas
People have answered this for you and it's not that difficult to understand.
Every time someone mentions a sector that is heavily reliant on immigrants, you seem to say "yes but there are Brits doing that as well". So by your logic, we're not allowed to mention a single sector that has at least one Brit working in it. And given that, what exactly was the point of your question?
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- Apr 19, 2018
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Yep - Construction & Hospitality both have income insecurity as a major factor in British people not going into them, something that is less significant for many more mobile workers. A market-led race to the bottom encourages employers to take advantage of offering lower salaries and short-term contracts and that's contributed to this, and just like how almost half of people on benefits are also in employment but not being paid enough to survive the country picks up the tab and many will then blame the wrong people for the size of the bill.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but, the Tories have overseen a steep decline in public satisfaction in the NHS.
It was done deliberately, aided by the right wing media. The end game would be getting to the point where they say “ We cannot possibly maintain the NHS with the current method of funding, the only solution would be to sell it off,” The pandemic was manna from Heaven for their long term privatisation master plan.
Brexit has aided this, it’s a long term aim, if/ when the Tories get back in, this will all be repeated, the managed decline in front line services, the overly critical opinions and reporting by the media, the massive staffing shortages due to poor pay, and frustration at the was the service is managed.
The blueprint was the running down and then sale of British Rail. We now have the most expensive rail tickets per mile in Europe.
The NHS would be the ultimate prize for the privatisation leeches.
It was done deliberately, aided by the right wing media. The end game would be getting to the point where they say “ We cannot possibly maintain the NHS with the current method of funding, the only solution would be to sell it off,” The pandemic was manna from Heaven for their long term privatisation master plan.
Brexit has aided this, it’s a long term aim, if/ when the Tories get back in, this will all be repeated, the managed decline in front line services, the overly critical opinions and reporting by the media, the massive staffing shortages due to poor pay, and frustration at the was the service is managed.
The blueprint was the running down and then sale of British Rail. We now have the most expensive rail tickets per mile in Europe.
The NHS would be the ultimate prize for the privatisation leeches.
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- Apr 19, 2018
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I don't think it's that far fetched. A huge number of NHS contracts are outsourced to private companies already - Virgin alone get something like £2bn. You can find the stories in (respectable, evidence-based newspapers) about how many Tories are linked to private healthcare companies winning billions in contracts. it feels like a short step from that to the NHS being more a function of divvying out contracts to private providers and basically being a broker for patients on a tiered system from free (not great) to different levels of payment for services.
Your poll includes 2 options to renegotiate the Brexit deal (both outside the CU, one a harder Brexit deal), but what about the renegotiations options for rejoining the EU or CU? A large part of the reason we left was because people weren't happy with the deal we had with the EU, so whether people would be in favour of rejoining or not would depend on the deal offered.