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Stato

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Dec 21, 2011
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It's an interesting tactical move from Sunak. Talk has been that he couldn't sack Braverman because the lunatic right wing would come for him. By sacking her and bringing back Cameron, he's attempting to align himself more centrally and be seen to be turning back to a bit of normality.

It might outflank the loonies, but he forgets that, as Johnson might have phrased it (although he would probably have referenced Suetonius, not Robert Graves), Cameron was the one who played the role of Claudius and "Let all the poisons that are in the mud hatch out." I recall that Danny Dyer put it more eloquently. Cameron is no longer seen by the public as one of the grown-ups in the room, he's the idiotic gambler who's massive arrogance caused the sh*tshow of the last seven years.
 




Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
2,994
Uckfield
The problem for Sunak is appointing Cameron is a very easy "playing politics" target. It telegraphs that there's no talent left amongst the Tory MPs that can be trusted with such a top cabinet role (as does appointing Cleverly to Home Sec, IMO - that man does not live up to his name).
 


Mackenzie

Old Brightonian
Nov 7, 2003
33,622
East Wales
It's an interesting tactical move from Sunak. Talk has been that he couldn't sack Braverman because the lunatic right wing would come for him. By sacking her and bringing back Cameron, he's attempting to align himself more centrally and be seen to be turning back to a bit of normality.

It might outflank the loonies, but he forgets that, as Johnson might have phrased it (although he would probably have referenced Suetonius, not Robert Graves), Cameron was the one who played the role of Claudius and "Let all the poisons that are in the mud hatch out." I recall that Danny Dyer put it more eloquently. Cameron is no longer seen by the public as one of the grown-ups in the room, he's the idiotic gambler who's massive arrogance caused the sh*tshow of the last seven years.
....then walked away.
 








Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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Smart move bringing Cameron back at first sight. Up to the point where he walked away I thought he did a good job. Just a very sensible and honourable man who clearly cares. Didn't like the fact he walked away but understood why he did it. Will make an excellent Foreign Secretary.
Top bombing.

The c*** sold out the country to the unelected Farage.
 




jcdenton08

Enemy of the People
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Oct 17, 2008
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My daughter has just said that it's like when Eastenders is struggling for ratings and brings back an old character. :ROFLMAO: I've now got visions of Cameron as Nick Cotton, looming out from under a lamppost with an 'Allo Ma'!
I would watch this. The idea of Dave trying to talk in his version of what he thinks “common” people sound like would be very special.
 






A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Deepest, darkest Sussex
Didn't think I'd get a chance to use this one again

 










Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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Smart move bringing Cameron back at first sight. Up to the point where he walked away I thought he did a good job. Just a very sensible and honourable man who clearly cares. Didn't like the fact he walked away but understood why he did it. Will make an excellent Foreign Secretary.
So do I – and I don't get why people don't. Regardless of what happened after that day in June 2016, he campaigned for something that, ultimately, failed. He backed the wrong horse and you could argue it was a vote on his leadership, which went against him.

His position, IMO was untenable because, if he'd stayed on, the person running the country would be navigating it through a process that he ultimately didn't believe to be the right way forward. How – and why, to an extent – could he have stuck it out?
 




stewart12

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Jan 16, 2019
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from a constitutional perspective, would Cameron- presumably soon to be a member of the house of lords- be able to speak in the house of commons?
 


Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
39,191
West Sussex
from a constitutional perspective, would Cameron- presumably soon to be a member of the house of lords- be able to speak in the house of commons?

No. They will need to have a Minister who can speak in the House of Commons.

I think they are currently Andrew Mitchell and Anne-Marie Trevelyan, but this may well change.
 


The Fits

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Jun 29, 2020
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So he's going to remain in the house of lords but be on the frontbench of the house of commons, though presumably not physically. The man who brought us austerity and Brexit and is unelected. They're certainly going out in style.
 


Stato

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Dec 21, 2011
6,666
Whilst we're welcoming back a 'sensible' politician to the latest gang of slef serving incompetent failures let's also remember that Cameron was responsible for giving first cabinet jobs to, among others, May, Gove, Truss, Patel, Hunt, Javid, Letwin, Hancock, Mordaunt, Leadsom & Raab. If you want to disarm a bomb, I suppose it might be useful asking for help from the bloke who wired and armed it in the first place, but at the same time, you might be wondering why he did it in the first place.
 




The Fits

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Jun 29, 2020
9,650
Whilst we're welcoming back a 'sensible' politician to the latest gang of slef serving incompetent failures let's also remember that Cameron was responsible for giving first cabinet jobs to, among others, May, Gove, Truss, Patel, Hunt, Javid, Letwin, Hancock, Mordaunt, Leadsom & Raab. If you want to disarm a bomb, I suppose it might be useful asking for help from the bloke who wired and armed it in the first place, but at the same time, you might be wondering why he did it in the first place.
Victor Frankenstein being tasked with killing his monster.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,404
from a constitutional perspective, would Cameron- presumably soon to be a member of the house of lords- be able to speak in the house of commons?
junior minister will have to deal with the commons. as Foreign Secretary is so often away this is common, much less irregular than say Home Secretary. i reckon this and avoiding more reshuffling is behind this move.
 


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