[News] Is this the start of a UK 'Stop the kindermoord' movement?

[theboybilly]

it cos most cycle paths don't go from anywhere, to anywhere. they are designed by motorists, for motorists. they are put where there's room as a tick box exercise, and are usually unfit for purpose.

if you don't believe me, try it

This x1000. Take for example the Old Shoreham Road (I've never used it as its no use to me as it is, but it could be)
Nothing really wrong with what's there but there is a problem at say, the BHASVIC end where a cyclist now has to decide a route into town down the hill into the chaos and danger of New England Hill or Preston Circus or a right turn down to Seven Dials where there is (I'll admit) a token narrow painted Cycle Lane that is more often obstructed than not. All the way into town from there is a battle to progress amongst frustrated drivers going nowhere fast (yet still they prefer to sit in traffic of their own making) We need more protected routes and a very good way of doing this is making Brighton streets either one way or No Parking areas. We should cease to have dual carriageways through town centres (like Worthing's) too... hideous. Until we do this we will have this awful miserable chaos. Let's start freeing ourselves from the chains of car ownership. I cannot see the joy in commuting by car - the huge expense, the lack of exercise, the lack of mental wellbeing, the wasted time.... the wasted life.

 

[1066familyman]

This x1000. Take for example the Old Shoreham Road (I've never used it as its no use to me as it is, but it could be)
Nothing really wrong with what's there but there is a problem at say, the BHASVIC end where a cyclist now has to decide a route into town down the hill into the chaos and danger of New England Hill or Preston Circus or a right turn down to Seven Dials where there is (I'll admit) a token narrow painted Cycle Lane that is more often obstructed than not. All the way into town from there is a battle to progress amongst frustrated drivers going nowhere fast (yet still they prefer to sit in traffic of their own making) We need more protected routes and a very good way of doing this is making Brighton streets either one way or No Parking areas. We should cease to have dual carriageways through town centres (like Worthing's) too... hideous. Until we do this we will have this awful miserable chaos. Let's start freeing ourselves from the chains of car ownership. I cannot see the joy in commuting by car - the huge expense, the lack of exercise, the lack of mental wellbeing, the wasted time.... the wasted life.

Cooden drive has these token lines on both sides of the roads. However, the millionaire houses there aren't content with their several cars on their drives. No, they have to park in the cycle lane too as an overflow.

There is absolutely nothing stopping any motorist just dumping their car in cycle lanes like this. Happens all the time, with the only consequence being that anyone on a bike has to continually swerve in and out of the cycle lane, putting themselves at risk whilst giving the hump to entitled car drivers.

 

[keaton]

it cos most cycle paths don't go from anywhere, to anywhere. they are designed by motorists, for motorists. they are put where there's room as a tick box exercise, and are usually unfit for purpose.

if you don't believe me, try it

Can i ask ,out of interest, what's the issue with the top of Ditchling Road cycle path?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Calls for safer roads ? Uncontroversial.
Moving ‘away from car culture’ mentioned in the OP is something completely different though. Neither my wife nor I can get to work without a car. So without our car we don’t earn money. This is pretty well understood.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

I often see parents taking their kids over pedestrian crossings on the red man, some even make their kids run across if cars are coming!

 

[brightn'ove]

Calls for safer roads ? Uncontroversial.
Moving ‘away from car culture’ mentioned in the OP is something completely different though. Neither my wife nor I can get to work without a car. So without our car we don’t earn money. This is pretty well understood.

fewer unnecessary car journeys would make your essential drive to work quicker and easier.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

fewer unnecessary car journeys would make your essential drive to work quicker and easier.

I don’t know how you are going to judge whether a trip is essential or not. I get lifts everywhere because of my health. So it’s not just journeys to work. It’s also to the GP, the hospital, the shops and leisure trips like the beach or pus/restaurants. Making these journeys more difficult impacts on my life.

 

[Soul Finger]

People who drive fast in built-up areas are c***s, end of.

 

[brightn'ove]

I don’t know how you are going to judge whether a trip is essential or not. I get lifts everywhere because of my health. So it’s not just journeys to work. It’s also to the GP, the hospital, the shops and leisure trips like the beach or pus/restaurants. Making these journeys more difficult impacts on my life.

By removing people from the road who could very easily walk, cycle or use public transport without any negative impact on their life would make all of those things you mention much easier for people who absolutely require it.

It’s about a change in thinking. People still drive in the Netherlands, but people also know that they can safely walk, cycle or use public transport to get most places, so will only drive if it is absolutely necessary.

 

[Stat Brother]

By removing people from the road who could very easily walk, cycle or use public transport without any negative impact on their life would make all of those things you mention much easier for people who absolutely require it.

It’s about a change in thinking. People still drive in the Netherlands, but people also know that they can safely walk, cycle or use public transport to get most places, so will only drive if it is absolutely necessary.

and their health and happiness prove the benefit.

 

[worthingseagull123]

By removing people from the road who could very easily walk, cycle or use public transport without any negative impact on their life would make all of those things you mention much easier for people who absolutely require it.

It’s about a change in thinking. People still drive in the Netherlands, but people also know that they can safely walk, cycle or use public transport to get most places, so will only drive if it is absolutely necessary.

But people will decide themselves whether they wish to drive any particular journey or not.

I could use a bus for many local trips I make in the car. But bus travel is slow, uncomfortable and incovenient. We wont see decent public transport options in Worthing like trams, so the car is the only realistic option.

Cycling isn’t for me, so any journey where walking is not practical, will be made by car. I have a feeling others think the same.

The same does apply in the Netherlands. I am sure there are Dutch people who will drive instead of cycling or using public transport for short journeys.

 

[rogersix]

Can i ask ,out of interest, what's the issue with the top of Ditchling Road cycle path?

i was wondering that myself

 

[rogersix]

Calls for safer roads ? Uncontroversial.
Moving ‘away from car culture’ mentioned in the OP is something completely different though. Neither my wife nor I can get to work without a car. So without our car we don’t earn money. This is pretty well understood.

change lifestyles, this is pretty well understood.

 

[brightn'ove]

But people will decide themselves whether they wish to drive any particular journey or not.

I could use a bus for many local trips I make in the car. But bus travel is slow, uncomfortable and incovenient. We wont see decent public transport options in Worthing like trams, so the car is the only realistic option.

Cycling isn’t for me, so any journey where walking is not practical, will be made by car. I have a feeling others think the same.

The same does apply in the Netherlands. I am sure there are Dutch people who will drive instead of cycling or using public transport for short journeys.

Yeah, it's about changing where the average sits. That is what is meant by a change in culture. The netherlands used to be car-centric, they changed the average attitude to travel.

It's not about individuals like you or I, it's about the national average.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Yeah, it's about changing where the average sits. That is what is meant by a change in culture. The netherlands used to be car-centric, they changed the average attitude to travel.

It's not about individuals like you or I, it's about the national average.

The Dutch do have a much better public transport network than us.

Fantastic double decker trains and very extensive rail network.

 

[brightn'ove]

The Dutch do have a much better public transport network than us.

Fantastic double decker trains and very extensive rail network.

And wouldn’t it be great if we had similar options in this country

 

[worthingseagull123]

And wouldn’t it be great if we had similar options in this country

Wont happen until we nationalise.

That wont happen under Conservatives or Labour under Starmer.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

An odd statement to make, and have championed, about the protesters.

Surely you should have written:-

'i wonder how many of them drive through a pedestrian crossing hitting a women and child, then sped off, while driving their kids to school?'

Reminds me of the cyclist who raced through a crossing, knocking over my adult son, ripping his suit and damaging his back, so far permanently. Then sped off.

 

[Stat Brother]

Reminds me of the cyclist who raced through a crossing, knocking over my adult son, ripping his suit and damaging his back, so far permanently. Then sped off.

A terrible thing to happen.

 

[Stat Brother]