[Albion] Can we talk about Sanchez ?

[GT49er]

Refusing to be on the bench is a fairly good starting point as a fact

Unless you are calling the OP a liar, I think we should be prepared to accept that he could see Big Bob through his window as he typed, don't you?




....and I'll end my post with 'fact', just to give it that extra bit of authrity, eh? Always works ....................

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don’t have to put a specific goal down to it, although I’m yet to see him really make a save that isn’t painfully straight forward. The two he did make last night he pushed back into dangerous areas too, and against Arsenal he was incredibly lucky that the two errors he made with his feet weren’t punished. I don’t think we’re as well organised with him there - we looked all at sea last night, as we have in quite a few games lately. He doesn’t seem to inspire confidence and he doesn’t collect anything aerially.

Let’s put it this way, it doesn’t surprise me that we’re starting to regularly concede big amounts of goals in games since we’ve switched to Steele in goal. And yes, there are other variables, but we concede more regularly with him in goal. And I just don’t see that stat changing anytime soon.

I love that you know better than our manager of the season nominee. Maybe he just hasn’t noticed what you have, from the sidelines, or every day at training, with all his professional coaching and playing experience…

 

[Spiros]

Haven’t read everything on this thread but remember that Sanchez is still a young man. Like Caicedo he is probably easily led/ ill advised by much older or more experienced agents and the like. Why is everyone so happy to cut Caicedo slack (rightly IMHO) after his antics in the January window yet write Sanchez off so quickly? In football things can change so easily, remember that should big Bob stroll out as our #1 at the start of next season

 

[GT49er]

Sanchez has offended NSC. He's now officially rubbish and not fit to wear the shirt (or in his case, the jersey). That's how it goes ................................

 

[Bozza]

Haven’t read everything on this thread but remember that Sanchez is still a young man. Like Caicedo he is probably easily led/ ill advised by much older or more experienced agents and the like. Why is everyone so happy to cut Caicedo slack (rightly IMHO) after his antics in the January window yet write Sanchez off so quickly? In football things can change so easily, remember that should big Bob stroll out as our #1 at the start of next season

Probably because Caicedo didn't look to step away from playing football.

But, yes, your point is absolutely correct. Robert Sanchez enjoyed quite a meteoric rise from non-matchday-featuring number three to Premier League starter, received lots of plaudits and was called up by his country, which just happens to be one that's very good at football.

Behind him he had the "perfect number two" - someone was was a good day-to-day trainer, had no pretensions to be the number one and was happy with Cup matches.

Then, to the surprise of pretty much everyone, that number two was made number one and Sanchez, the rising star, was relegated to goalkeeping cheerleader and cup goalie.

Of course he's pissed off - he didn't see any of this coming and he wants to be playing first-team football every week.

 

[Littlemo]

Refusing to be on the bench is a fairly good starting point as a fact

He’s been on the bench now for ages though. You’d have to think something else has occurred for it to suddenly be an issue for him.

 

[jakarta]

Probably because Caicedo didn't look to step away from playing football.

But, yes, your point is absolutely correct. Robert Sanchez enjoyed quite a meteoric rise from non-matchday-featuring number three to Premier League starter, received lots of plaudits and was called up by his country, which just happens to be one that's very good at football.

Behind him he had the "perfect number two" - someone was was a good day-to-day trainer, had no pretensions to be the number one and was happy with Cup matches.

Then, to the surprise of pretty much everyone, that number two was made number one and Sanchez, the rising star, was relegated to goalkeeping cheerleader and cup goalie.

Of course he's pissed off - he didn't see any of this coming and he wants to be playing first-team football every week.

Well he can piss off and play first team football for someone else? Won't ever forget that cock up against Palace...

 

[dazzer6666]

Good thread here on relative value of data in comparing keepers……….not specific to Steele/Sanchez but partly explains the ongoing (and largely unresolvable) debate on who is the ‘better’ keeper

 

[Icy Gull]

He’s been on the bench now for ages though. You’d have to think something else has occurred for it to suddenly be an issue for him.

Probably still not getting back into the team after the 1-5 would be my guess, possibly gave up at that point.

He is never going to be as good with his feet as Steele and we know RDZ is adamant that his keeper can play football like an outfield player at least.

 

[BadFish]

When we turn on a player we really turn on a player .

Personally I hope they can work it out and get him back in the team.

 

[Wozza]

Perhaps the reason he's not playing is that we've already agreed a deal for him to leave - in the same way that Joao Pedro didn't play the last two games for Watford before joining us.

Why do people keep suggesting this?!

RDZ has been quite clear about what has happened. And RDZ would not injure himself sitting on the bench!

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Why do people keep suggesting this?!

RDZ has been quite clear about what has happened. And RDZ would not injure himself sitting on the bench!

Every chance he flaps and misses it

 

[METALMICKY]

Probably still not getting back into the team after the 1-5 would be my guess, possibly gave up at that point.

He is never going to be as good with his feet as Steele and we know RDZ is adamant that his keeper can play football like an outfield player at least.

Why do people keep referencing that 5-1 defeat?

 

[Icy Gull]

Why do people keep referencing that 5-1 defeat?

Because it’s not unreasonable for the ex no 1 to hope for a recall?

Well that’s my reason no idea, why anyone else who has referenced it decided to mention it

We could also reference Forest and Newcastle for a keeper who wants a recall

I only blame Steele for one of the goals, maybe.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

I love that you know better than our manager of the season nominee. Maybe he just hasn’t noticed what you have, from the sidelines, or every day at training, with all his professional coaching and playing experience…

Who said I know better? I certainly didn’t. We all have preferences for the characteristics we like in players. The goalkeeping position is no different. RDZ puts more stock in being good with your feet than actual goalkeeping attributes. I don’t feel the same.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Why do people keep referencing that 5-1 defeat?

Because that’s what the reports have referenced as the point where things started to go sour.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Refusing to be on the bench is a fairly good starting point as a fact

How do you know there aren’t other factors going on behind the scenes. How do you know RDZ hasn’t been a royal twunt to him?

I’m not saying either of these questions are valid excuses, just that we’ve only heard one side of the story and our fans have jumped on the guy in quite an embarrassing way, considering many of the performances he’s put in for us.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

RDZ puts more stock in being good with your feet than actual goalkeeping attributes. I don’t feel the same.

No, no l'm sure he doesn't think that at all. There is no doubt though that at the top end of the football pyramid, modern coaching methods are more and more reliant on goalkeepers being more adept with their feet, and passing the ball out than ever before.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

What did he do wrong last night? Made a couple of cracking saves, one of which then near enough lead to our goal - couldn't really do anything for any of the goals - but almost got enough on the third to deflect it onto the post.

Cracking saves? He made two saves that were straight at him, and one from a dive that he pushed into the centre of the box and was incredibly fortunate not to concede from.

I don’t remember him claiming any crosses, he was poor for the third and didn’t make Wilson make a decision, he was indecisive for the fourth, and the first he made zero effort to get to. It’s also telling that, even for their second our defensive line was so deep, giving Burn the run on the header because we’re now reliant on the defenders heading the ball away, rather than the keeper dealing with it as Sanchez would’ve done.

Honestly, I get that our manager wants a GK who’s good with his feet, but he has no outstanding qualities in the conventional goalkeeping attributes and that worries me every game. I appreciate most don’t agree, but I’m yet to see any really compelling evidence to change my opinion other than some good passing from Steele. But that alone just doesn’t do it for me as far as goalkeepers go.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

No, no l'm sure he doesn't think that at all. There is no doubt though that at the top end of the football pyramid, modern coaching methods are more and more reliant on goalkeepers being more adept with their feet, and passing the ball out than ever before.

No doubt re the second point. Sanchez originally came into the side with this being highlighted as one of the reasons why.

He’s said as much re the first point.