[Football] Points Deduction for Managers Misbehaviour Proposed

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Referees call for points deductions for aggressive managers​

By Luke Edwards NORTHERN FOOTBALL WRITER

Jürgen Klopp has been skating on thin ice with his behaviour towards match officials for some time and this could be the moment it cracks underneath him. After receiving a yellow card for charging down the touchline to celebrate in the fourth official's face on Sunday, Klopp then said of referee Paul Tierney: "I really don’t know what he has against us." The bigger problem is that Klopp is a serial offender. He has already served a one-game touchline ban this season, for screaming in the face of an official during his side's 1-0 defeat of Manchester City back in October. After each event, Klopp apologised. His repeat behaviour, however, makes that contrition look insincere. This cannot be allowed to slide any longer. Klopp's high profile makes it all the more important that the authorities act strongly. His comments about Tierney's supposed agenda prompted PGMOL, the referees' body, to release a statement forcefully denying Klopp’s claim and pointing out that they had a full recording of the exchange between the manager and referee. Separately, a referees' group has called for points deductions for teams whose managers act like this. Klopp has done brilliantly to keep Liverpool in the race for a Champions League place and his force of personality has been crucial to their improved form, but that cannot come at the expense of the integrity and reputation of matchday officials. Any thoughts?

My thoughts

As with VAR - the rule/decisions won't be applied consistently ... which will cause even more agro!

It will never happen!

 

[zefarelly]

Is this report funded by Spuds and Chelsea ? Teams languishing with no manager?

The real story is the lack of competent officials.

 

[The Wizard]

Managers/players behaviour towards officials is unacceptable.

As is the current general standard of refereeing and use of VAR

Both are true, altho I guess you could in large part argue the misuse of VAR and poor officiating causes a lot of the anger towards officials, can you really blame managers for going loopy at officials when the decisions made could cost your club millions/history? (Tottenham)

 

[Shooting Star]

Just have the balls to enforce the existing rules. The technical area for example. I laughed with my family on Sunday at Wembley at the ridiculously small size of the technical area for both managers and remarked "RDZ is never going to stay in that." Lo and behold Ten Hag was even on the pitch once during one of the injury stoppages. Was he sanctioned? Of course not. Either enforce the rule that managers stay inside their area or get rid of the notion altogether.

Same with the decorum of managers. Either give Klopp a red or get rid of the rule that the officials are above reproach from managers during the game.

 

[warmleyseagull]

That's us f****ed then.

 

[Jeremiah]

How about point additions for wrong VAR decisions ?

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Since bad behaviour from players does not get points deducted, neither should managers ..... unless clear errors by refs gets points added .

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Unless they start awarding points for bad errors by VAR and officials, then no.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

The banning of managers is a joke because they seem to be allowed in the stands to watch and chat with those on the bench through play and can therefore influence play.
I‘d ban them from the ground from kick off to the end of the match, and ensure they can‘t communicate with anyone involved in the game.

 

[Official Old Man]

Yes but No.
Klopp received a yellow card for his behaviour on the pitch.
RDZ received a red card (twice).
So where does the points deduction count? Is it Klopps behaviour in general towards the ref post match because if you say he has a yellow whilst RDZ has a red then we lose more points than them.
And is Klopp doing any more than we as fans done post Spurs other than he has a bigger audience?
Basically, any player, manager or club staff who gets within a metre of any official and/or hurls abuse or shouts in any way should get a red card and 3 match ban.
Any player, other than the club captains and two players involved in a situation (four in total), who approaches the ref or other official during or after a game and shouts or abuses the official will receive a red card and 3 match ban. The four in total includes any player or staff member approaching any other official at the game. So no extra players giving the lino grief.

 

[Neil]

why dont they get rid of this technical area because they all walk out of it anyway.
or book them if they do .
Or go back to the old days and they all have to sit in the dugout

 

[beorhthelm]

bit of bedwetting. there are more important disciplinary matters to deal with, and more stages to go through, before resorting to point deductions. like refs more frequently applying the yellow/red to managers, player dissent, dives, etc. why didnt he get a red?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

How about point additions for wrong VAR decisions ?

Plus three points for every letter of apology from PGMOL and an extra one added for a personal visit by Howard Webb.

 

[GT49er]

Stupid idea, what next points deductions for players getting red cards.

The starting point, should have been a red card for Klopp followed by a lengthy stadium ban rather than a touchline ban. To ensure that there is no antics to get into the stadium, when the game is being played, the manager needs to be at the VAR premises or FA HQ when banned.

The starting point should be a yellow for every player that surrounds the referee, shouting right in his face. The second point would be a second yellow for any twunt of a PL footballer who doesn't understand that doing the same thing again will result in a second yellow.

 

[BadFish]

The rules are in place for what to do when this stuff happens. The refs choose not to use them.

What Klopp did against Spurs should have been a straight red card and the ban should have been lengthened if it is not his first offence.

Isn't it the same with the players and the ref? they should get yellows and then reds if they carry on. The refs need to step up and use their powers correctly in order to stamp this shit out.

I don't see the point of putting more rules in place if the refs are not going to uphold them.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

A stronger punishment for managers who cross the line with referees? Absolutely.

Points deductions for their teams? Absolutely not. This is, in fact, one of the worst ideas I’ve heard in years. The game already feels corrupt enough. Imagine losing a title, being relegated, losing a Champions League spot or European spot by a point because your manager got punished but another rival manager didn’t in the same circumstances. No, just no.

What we need is more transparency from referees and VAR. We need them to be mic’d up. This should absolutely be the priority to try and bring some integrity back into the game.

 

[SeagullsoverLondon]

I think the refs association should concentrate on getting competent officials. Then when the standard is good enough, tackle the bad behaviour of managers with bans.
At the moment it is a bit like a school where the teachers aren't very good or don't implement the rules properly. Of course they don't behave as well as they should

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Not when referees are already costing teams points with terrible decisions. It’s double jeopardy. Learn to use VAR properly and this might have a bit more credibility

Exactly.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not when referees are already costing teams points with terrible decisions. It’s double jeopardy. Learn to use VAR properly and this might have a bit more credibility

This.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Klopp chasing after the ref and celebrating in his face

Hardly crime of the century.