[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Greg Bobkin]

I doubt much of that 24% actually follow what is going on.

They probably still think "Boris" is still in charge and will vote for him "because he has funny hair".

Either that, or they think on a local level and are happy with their Tory MP?

 

[chickens]

Either that, or they think on a local level and are happy with their Tory MP?

I think that’s the case for some, and I think some quite decent Conservative MPs (at a local level) are going to lose their seats because they’ve enabled the Conservative Party at a national level.

However, it is up to each political party to be self-policing, and when the battle for the Conservative Party’s soul was taking place post-Cameron, too many of them held their noses and enabled what has followed. I have some sympathy where their actions were motivated by genuine feelings of loyalty, but it’s limited because of what they’ve allowed to be visited on all of us.

The “we won’t be bound by international law” posturing, this disgracing of our country in the eyes of the international community, coupled with the incompetence with which Brexit was handled, has ruined businesses and people and made us look extremely foolish. There’s a lot to answer for.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Either that, or they think on a local level and are happy with their Tory MP?

Could well be. And they've obviously balanced that against the economy crashing, businesses failing, spiralling inflation, the rising cost of living, the NHS being taken apart, international relations with our closest neighbours at the lowest level ever, breaking International law, corruption, dishonestly and incompetence running riot at the highest levels of Government and decided that having an MP who is good on a local level is more important.

Even though, whilst being a good MP, they have enabled and supported all of the above. 1 in 4 of the electorate

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Could well be. And they've obviously balanced that against the economy crashing, businesses failing, spiralling inflation, the rising cost of living, the NHS being taken apart, international relations with our closest neighbours at the lowest level ever, breaking International law, corruption, dishonestly and incompetence running riot at the highest levels of Government and decided that having an MP who is good on a local level is more important.

Even though, whilst being a good MP, they have enabled and supported all of the above. 1 in 4 of the electorate

In all seriousness, some probably HAVE weighed everything up and thought that. Meanwhile, others would be in the 'Yes, but Labour would be worse' camp – we heard all that post-covid when everyone was banging on about how they wouldn't have done much differently, etc – it's all so tedious.

But it's more likely that many people don't really give a crap about all of the macro disasters going on and are very much 'I'm all right, Jack'. Bonkers, really, but there we are!

 

[BBassic]

In all seriousness, some probably HAVE weighed everything up and thought that. Meanwhile, others would be in the 'Yes, but Labour would be worse' camp – we heard all that post-covid when everyone was banging on about how they wouldn't have done much differently, etc – it's all so tedious.

But it's more likely that many people don't really give a crap about all of the macro disasters going on and are very much 'I'm all right, Jack'. Bonkers, really, but there we are!

And there will be others who don't think about any of it at all.

People who see the Conservative logo or the Labour logo and pop their X in, not giving a shit about who the rep is locally or what their party is doing nationally because that's how they've done it their entire lives.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There is no hope.

 

[Stat Brother]

I think that’s the case for some, and I think some quite decent Conservative MPs (at a local level) are going to lose their seats because they’ve enabled the Conservative Party at a national level.

However, it is up to each political party to be self-policing, and when the battle for the Conservative Party’s soul was taking place post-Cameron, too many of them held their noses and enabled what has followed. I have some sympathy where their actions were motivated by genuine feelings of loyalty, but it’s limited because of what they’ve allowed to be visited on all of us.

The “we won’t be bound by international law” posturing, this disgracing of our country in the eyes of the international community, coupled with the incompetence with which Brexit was handled, has ruined businesses and people and made us look extremely foolish. There’s a lot to answer for.

All but one Sussex Tory voted to fill our sea with sewage.
Ill Eden a guess over the last parliament, and all the different PM's, almost every single 'decent conservative MP' has shat on a local issue 'for or the greater good'.

The fact these jellyfish will get votes and keep.their seats will bring shame upon us all!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

"...we haven't got any houses. Unless you're foreign and you come over here and get a nice house or a hotel."

ok flat cap mate.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

All but one Sussex Tory voted to fill our sea with sewage.
Ill Eden a guess over the last parliament, and all the different PM's, almost every single 'decent conservative MP' has shat on a local issue 'for or the greater good'.

The fact these jellyfish will get votes and keep.their seats will bring shame upon us all!

I doubt Lewes will return a Tory next time, and Hastings Cons have deselected their MP, so it might go back to Lib Dem.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

There is no hope.

Some people are REALLY stupid.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

"...we haven't got any houses. Unless you're foreign and you come over here and get a nice house or a hotel."

ok flat cap mate.

He wasn’t even the worse one in that clip.

I did feel for the lady in the blue coat. She didn’t say how she voted.

 

[Gwylan]

I doubt Lewes will return a Tory next time, and Hastings Cons have deselected their MP, so it might go back to Lib Dem.

Hastings (and Rye) has not had a Liberal MP since 1906. It was Labour between 1997 and 2010, so they must be eyeing it up. Apart from that, it's been Tory since 1906.

Worthing's going to the interesting one. Labour could win both seats there - I think Loughton's definitely toast but Bottomley could be as well. I'm certain Lewes and Eastbourne will both go to Lib Dems and with Crawley goiing to Labour, Sussex could look very different

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Hastings (and Rye) has not had a Liberal MP since 1906. It was Labour between 1997 and 2010, so they must be eyeing it up. Apart from that, it's been Tory since 1906.

Worthing's going to the interesting one. Labour could win both seats there - I think Loughton's definitely toast but Bottomley could be as well. I'm certain Lewes and Eastbourne will both go to Lib Dems and with Crawley goiing to Labour, Sussex could look very different

I was confusing that with Eastbourne who did have a LD MP, Stephen Lloyd.

So, going back to Labour, then

 

[A1X]

Can the mind vomit? Yes, yes it can.

Sometimes there just isn’t enough vomit in the world to do it justice

 

[WATFORD zero]

Hastings (and Rye) has not had a Liberal MP since 1906. It was Labour between 1997 and 2010, so they must be eyeing it up. Apart from that, it's been Tory since 1906.

Worthing's going to the interesting one. Labour could win both seats there - I think Loughton's definitely toast but Bottomley could be as well. I'm certain Lewes and Eastbourne will both go to Lib Dems and with Crawley goiing to Labour, Sussex could look very different

Sussex could be very interesting. Except for Brighton Pavilion, where the sitting MP will up their majority AGAIN

 

[Gwylan]

So, going back to Labour, then

Strong possibility of that.

In fact, if the opinion polls are acccurate, Mid Sussex could go Labour too - that's what Electoral Calculus is predicting,.

 

[Gwylan]

Strong possibility of that.

In fact, if the opinion polls are acccurate, Mid Sussex could go Labour too - that's what Electoral Calculus is predicting,.

Just looked at their predictions and, on current polling, Tories are hanging on to Horsham, Bognor and Chichester by just a couple of percentage points. Any more swing away from the Tories and they could be in play too.

 

[Ooh it’s a corner]

There is no hope.

OMG that is depressing.

 

[Nobby]

Some people are REALLY stupid.

Castration is too good for them

 

[Randy McNob]