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[Albion] 10-game ban and 50-loyalty point deduction



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Apart from the tiny allocation at Brentford and small allocation/high demand for Fulham, that has hardly been the case this season.
While that’s undoubtedly true, guess which two away games are easiest to get to and safest to attend if you want to introduce a younger child to away games. And guaranteed that child wouldn’t have 280 points.

I took my boy to Charlton for his first one in 2014 and in some ways it was lucky that we were having a shit season. We couldn’t get Brentford tickets this season, eight years of loyal support later, which is an equivalent game, because apparently every single person in T1 bought one :rolleyes:
 




Justice

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Don't you actually mean that Tony Bloom should stop acting like he's some sort of god because I'd bet money on the fact that he has (quite rightly in my opinion) rubber stamped the clubs approach to this.
You really think the clubs owner would bother himself with such matters? Barber gets paid handsomely so he doesn’t have to get involved with the trivial daily issues.
 


jackalbion

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While that’s undoubtedly true, guess which two away games are easiest to get to and safest to attend if you want to introduce a younger child to away games. And guaranteed that child wouldn’t have 280 points.

I took my boy to Charlton for his first one in 2014 and in some ways it was lucky that we were having a shit season. We couldn’t get Brentford tickets this season, eight years of loyal support later, which is an equivalent game, because apparently every single person in T1 bought one :rolleyes:
Something went wrong with the Brentford tickets that the club never told us. If it was allocated properly it would have gone to the second day of sales. At about 8:45 when I was waiting to get someone in a lower group a ticket it flicked over to sold out, I think they miscalculated the allocation and points.
 


Sirnormangall

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The crime does not fit the punishment. Nowhere near.

But the punishment does fit the problem the club are having with too many coked up dickheads at away matches and not enough decent and deserving fans able to grab the tickets.

The club are currently making an example of rule breakers in order to solve the problem. Therefore, the club needs the rule breakers to squeal all over social media and for site owners of chat rooms to start threads about the issue. This particular thread needs to be as long as possible and consistently at the top of NSC’s big board.

I’m sure the club are thankful to everyone publicising their draconian punishment (which will surely be taken away once the dickhead count lowers).
I think the non-transferable ticket rule was introduced by the FA as one of the measures to curb hooligan problems and the club is now also using the rule to stop loyalty point abuse. So, assuming the lad’s girlfriend behaved herself, then the punishment is harsh. It will be interesting to see what greater level of punishment the club might impose where an unauthorised ticket holder had been arrested for causing trouble.
 


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I agree there is of course that loophole, I don’t think you’ll ever find a perfect way to do it, I think the idea that we’re becoming a violent reputation club is being overblown, I watch a lot of football and Brighton are definitely one of the least I come across in terms of violence. Checking for the arsenal game was ridiculous as anyone could buy 4 extra tickets for literally anyone what’s the logic there.
Not overblown (I agree I don’t think we have that rep, I do a fir number of aways and have seen very little in the last few seasons), but Barber and crew have a duty to stop what they can I guess - simple fact is almost every away ‘incident’ was involving someone who had been there on a ticket that someone up the LP tree had obtained for them. Random checks at Arsenal do make sense in that context, the guest tickets are a bit of a red herring - LPs still being allocated to the ST holder for their ticket. What if I bought myself one plus 4 for my yobbo mates, and gave all 5 to my yobbo mates and stayed at home ? The threat of mine being checked would have stopped that. Also, if they’ve stated a policy of checking, then they need to follow it through otherwise people start taking the piss again.
 




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Yes. Outside of the London games and Bournemouth/Saints - I doubt that you're going to struggle getting tickets for - lets say the next 3 on sale - Everton (A), Boro (A) and Leicester (A) if you want them. Even if you're not a ST holder - et alone a Tier 1 points holder.

Agreed however Spurs in the cup and Arsenal again this season it was more than manageable to pick up a ticket for those games so even then it’s not out of the question. Complete over reaction to a problem that’s not there from the club.

If the club wanted to ban those who have been caught causing trouble they could easily do so.
 


dazzer6666

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Something went wrong with the Brentford tickets that the club never told us. If it was allocated properly it would have gone to the second day of sales. At about 8:45 when I was waiting to get someone in a lower group a ticket it flicked over to sold out, I think they miscalculated the allocation and points.
Don’t think so. Problem is T1 holders were allocating seats to people in T2 before 9am (which you could do at the time) then clicking through to purchase after 9am, so all the available tickets were allocated well before they actually went on sale.
 


Munkfish

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Apart from the tiny allocation at Brentford and small allocation/high demand for Fulham, that has hardly been the case this season.
The two you will struggle to get will be Brentford and Bournemouth. Then the rest of the London games will drop down to the first few tiers everything else I think you could get one without much effort.
 




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Agreed however Spurs in the cup and Arsenal again this season it was more than manageable to pick up a ticket for those games so even then it’s not out of the question. Complete over reaction to a problem that’s not there from the club.

If the club wanted to ban those who have been caught causing trouble they could easily do so.
They’re trying to prevent future trouble. They have banned those caught already apparently. How can they preven it happening again without making sure they can’t get tickets ?
 


jackalbion

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Not overblown (I agree I don’t think we have that rep, I do a fir number of aways and have seen very little in the last few seasons), but Barber and crew have a duty to stop what they can I guess - simple fact is almost every away ‘incident’ was involving someone who had been there on a ticket that someone up the LP tree had obtained for them. Random checks at Arsenal do make sense in that context, the guest tickets are a bit of a red herring - LPs still being allocated to the ST holder for their ticket. What if I bought myself one plus 4 for my yobbo mates, and gave all 5 to my yobbo mates and stayed at home ? The threat of mine being checked would have stopped that. Also, if they’ve stated a policy of checking, then they need to follow it through otherwise people start taking the piss again.
Theoretically you could stay at home, but I think this is a very long and convoluted way to get 5 yobs into the ground. A lot of the people who I would imagine are being painted as yobs by some on here are actually STH with the points, I think stops at the games like Brentford are correct because half of my mates couldn’t get tickets, it’s Man City during the train strike is where I think improvements could be made on the system, I don’t have any right to demand the system is changed, but it would be great if they listened to some feedback, as missing 20 minutes of a game for this system (like my mate at Arsenal), just is inconveniencing people for the sake of it, and not really fair as he’s done nothing wrong.
 


Munkfish

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They’re trying to prevent future trouble. They have banned those caught already apparently. How can they preven it happening again without making sure they can’t get tickets ?
So everyone who picks up a last minute ticket is a trouble maker.

Ultimately it takes a little bit more fun out of football. I picked up a last minute ticket for QPR on the day. One of the best games supporting the Albion for me it all added to the day.

My views aren’t going to change club policy, doesn’t mean I have to like it or agree with it.
 




dazzer6666

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So everyone who picks up a last minute ticket is a trouble maker.

Ultimately it takes a little bit more fun out of football. I picked up a last minute ticket for QPR on the day. One of the best games supporting the Albion for me it all added to the day.

My views aren’t going to change club policy, doesn’t mean I have to like it or agree with it.
How do you take that to get to ‘everyone’ ?
 


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Theoretically you could stay at home, but I think this is a very long and convoluted way to get 5 yobs into the ground. A lot of the people who I would imagine are being painted as yobs by some on here are actually STH with the points, I think stops at the games like Brentford are correct because half of my mates couldn’t get tickets, it’s Man City during the train strike is where I think improvements could be made on the system, I don’t have any right to demand the system is changed, but it would be great if they listened to some feedback, as missing 20 minutes of a game for this system (like my mate at Arsenal), just is inconveniencing people for the sake of it, and not really fair as he’s done nothing wrong.
To be clear, you have every right to demand the system is changed.
And they have every right to disregard your opinion entirely.
Incidentally, I missed the entire first half of the Arsenal game as I had to collect my ticket (having been told over the phone the day before that there would be a separate collection point), before it turned out they'd somehow printed a ticket with no qr code and I had to go back and queue again.
 


jackalbion

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To be clear, you have every right to demand the system is changed.
And they have every right to disregard your opinion entirely.
Incidentally, I missed the entire first half of the Arsenal game as I had to collect my ticket (having been told over the phone the day before that there would be a separate collection point), before it turned out they'd somehow printed a ticket with no qr code and I had to go back and queue again.
This was disappointing as this is what I didn’t want to happen, most likely people on here and other social media made a point that we were making a fuss over essentially a 5 minute wait, and they’ve just ended up inconveniencing some of their dedicated away fans.
 




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This was disappointing as this is what I didn’t want to happen, most likely people on here and other social media made a point that we were making a fuss over essentially a 5 minute wait, and they’ve just ended up inconveniencing some of their dedicated away fans.
To be fair, I myself argued it was a fuss over nothing. :lolol:
Something clearly went wrong at Arsenal, because they definitely said there'd be a separate collection point, and the queue was stupidly long.
Also worth pointing out that I had to collect my ticket for reasons other than random ID checks, but presumably some of the queue was down to that.
 


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Because it’s fan led, the whole of football is, if we all walked away they’d have nobody to sell to, and while the club can choose, it would be good if they helped address some of the problems. I just want people to fill seats, not leave them empty. I don’t quite know why you’ve got so rattled by anyone suggesting maybe a different way of reallocating tickets if people can’t use them. Most people who can’t make it are happy for the ticket to be used even without a refund, it seems a shame someone further misses out due to someone having something come up. If a game has gone to general sale who exactly is being disadvantaged from a passed on ticket? If you don’t like someone suggesting that the club do something differently on here, then you are probably going to find a good half of this forum boring. What was the point in a Fan Advisory Board if they aren’t going to listen to anything the fans suggest, it’s simple discussion on here about how it’s a stupid system if you can’t return tickets.
It really isn’t ‘a simple discussion about how it’s a stupid system if you can’t return tickets.’ That perception of yours is probably why you think I’m rattled because I disagree with you. You are still ignoring the skewing of the loyalty points system that the club are addressing with their approach. There are clear abuses going on and you haven’t said how you would address them. How else would you prevent people gaining undeserved loyalty points and thereby further priority in buying tickets ? Our discussion is about this issue as much as anything but you don’t seem to want to talk about it.
 








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'Ticket awareness course' :lolol::lolol:

Agree with the poster who says every time they hear a story like this part of their albion mojo dies a little. (Soon to be resurrected by a good performance of course). Yes I know Rules are Rules. Yes I know he broke them and thus Deserves To Be Punished, but jeez, talk about OTT. I personally think the rules are heavy-handed, cumbersome and stupid and stories like this just confirm that view. I know others will disagree.
Agree with you.

What the punishment rams home is how fans get 10 game bans, but a 10 game ban would never be handed out to a player.

I love what TB is about and what PB has done, but I really sense we lose perspective. I so wish we were more purpose and values-led as a club (of course, first define purpose and values.)
 


jackalbion

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It really isn’t ‘a simple discussion about how it’s a stupid system if you can’t return tickets.’ That perception of yours is probably why you think I’m rattled because I disagree with you. You are still ignoring the skewing of the loyalty points system that the club are addressing with their approach. There are clear abuses going on and you haven’t said how you would address them. How else would you prevent people gaining undeserved loyalty points and thereby further priority in buying tickets ? Our discussion is about this issue as much as anything but you don’t seem to want to talk about it.
But this is all a part of addressing it, the reason why people had been passing them on is because, people want to secure tickets for a game, but you have to buy tickets up to two months in advance. If people can’t make it, then they have no incentive to do anything but sell the ticket on, without contacting the club. If you have a system where people can return the tickets, then people won’t buy up all the tickets as a safety net, and won’t sell them onto randoms. Putting them back into the system where people with the required loyalty points can repurchase the tickets and sell them on again. The name on tickets system is just inconveniencing people who have done nothing wrong (not 5 minutes, 20 minutes). I will accept though people should not buy tickets if they don’t know if they can 100% make the game with the rail situation and other factors this isn’t always possible.

I want the points to not go to hoarders, there is a clearly an issue at Brentford, but at Wolves there wasn’t so seats just go empty. The club at times make it very difficult to buy a ticket off the cuff away from home, when it’s not sold out, we’re not in league one anymore, but it wouldn’t be impossible to have this facility. I have explained about 5 times on this thread that this would be solved with an away ticket exchange system as printing duplicates is not a problem at all. The club are not bothered to pay extra staff to catch people out, but not when it could be actually helpful and they could have an away ticket office at every game, which could help with this.

It would be also helpful if there wasn’t a clear loophole for 1901 giving it to whoever they want. I spoke to someone at Brentford who was a spurs season ticket holder on his friends 1901 ticket as he can’t get there with Spurs. I don’t see why someone who is not well off enough to afford 1901 can’t be trusted compared to someone who can. The worst behaviour I’ve witnessed this season was by someone who I know is on a 1901 ticket. I also think there’s an idea on here that people are hoarding tickets to purposely keep people out, which they aren’t, they’ve just passed one on when it’s at a northern ground and there’s a train strike.

The idea that it’s keeping people out completely is strange as well. Attending enough away games will gain you enough points to access most games, friends I have who go range from STH to members, some with almost 500 points and some who are in the 3rd group, and they all gain points. The points would be spread more if you were able to re-sell tickets back to the club to redistributed, rather than if people ask on Twitter and pay Cash in hand. This whole thing has spiralled out of control this season however with (quite often young) people regularly begging on social media for spares, and people willingly selling. Far to many however don’t want to put in the hard graft to get away tickets and travel to places like Burnley, and this encourages that. I also think the punishment is too harsh, a lot of the people getting banned are not doing so with malicious intent and a lot of the people could probably do with a warning (especially as these tickets were bought before they announced they were doing random checks). I respect the club / authority, whatever, but it doesn’t mean it can’t be challenged or questioned.
 


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