So on Sunday when they arrived they weren't required to enter the water but expected to carry out a 'dynamic risk assessment' well that was really going to help the poor children who were drowning. But hey as long as the APP and NDM are happy that's all ok then.
True, so they got their risk assessment right (although it's always fine margins - if the fourth little boy had died as well they would have risked their lives for no purpose).
Why are you so aggressive and sarcastic about this? It doesn’t say ‘they weren’t required‘ to enter the water, it says they should not attempt a rescue that ‘they are untrained or unequipped to do’. Children have tragically died and a policeman ended up with hyperthermia trying to save them. Have you any idea how traumatic that will be for him that he was unable to do so? He will live with that his whole life. Have some compassion - all you seem to be doing is finding ways to cast blame and point score at the first responder policeman who waded into freezing water at the risk to his own life to try and save the lads. I’m shocked that you think arguing about that is even appropriate in this situation. It is an awful thing that happened to all involved but don’t try and rationalise it by allocating blame where it does not belong.
Yep, I don't have the words for how awful that must be
I'm not being in the least bit aggressive about it but concede a certain amount of sarcasm when I read about 'APP' and 'NDM'. I've nothing but admiration for the guy who dived in to try and save the little boys, as indeed I've nothing but admiration for anyone in the emergency services. I'm not trying to cast blame or point score at all nor am I 'allocating blame' but my original point remains and that I believe being in the emergency services carries a risk and that on sunday the first on the scene should've done all they could to rescue those poor little boys regardless of 'APP' and 'NDM.' So if that makes me a callous **** and gets me banned then so be it. Goodnight.
I disagree with you. It should go without saying, but not all risks are equal, and not all have the same chance of success. There comes a point when the risk to the professional becomes quite high, and the chance of their efforts saving anyone becomes small. I have no idea how much risk the police were at on this occasion, or how much chance they had of saving the kids, and I don't imagine you do either. I certainly don't think they or any other profession are always obliged to risk their own life.
It does and they did. All the protocols they should follow I posted above, including risk assessment. Of course there will be an investigation and thorough evaluation of rescue efforts - there always are.
Is it? You seem to know most things. And what about conditions? Is it just calm water? Currents less than 10 knots? Aqua-blue or more of quarry-brown only? Seems all the water dangers people (of any age) are warned about don’t apply if you’re in uniform. Even if you can’t swim. Instead, it’s “their job” even if they know they’ll die. According to you anyway. Very good of you to tell others they should add to tragedy and lose their lives. Meanwhile, back in the real world…
Yes the world I live in.
No, not an essential requirement for most police forces
Again showing in this matter that you are not well informed - not just to the facts of the particular incidence but generally on the life threatening risks of being submerged in frozen water:
Not going to answer this again, several members here have tried to explain why this is an incorrect interpretation of a first responder’s job - while I get your ‘absolutism’ from a moral point of view your obtuseness in understanding professional standards of risk assessment or why it’s even necessary to prevent further loss of life, is beginning to look like attention seeking tbh.
Fair enough and thanks for taking the time to post this.No, not an essential requirement for most police forces
Again showing in this matter that you are not well informed - not just to the facts of the particular incidence but generally on the life threatening risks of being submerged in frozen water:
- it is almost impossible to get yourself out of water if you have fallen through ice - there is nothing to get your feet onto and nothing to grab onto except a sheet of slippery ice - likely breaking off the more you try and grab it
- ‘calmness’ has nothing to do with it - any water below 15* can start inducing circulatory problems and hypothermia immediately - the water at Solihul was below freezing - cold water shock restricts the blood vessels and puts pressure on the heart to pump blood round the body which causes a dangerous rise in blood pressure. Movements become sluggish again almost immediately and lethargy starts setting in under 3 mins - eventually resulting in cardiac arrest and/or drowning possibly within 30 mins depending on the water temperature.
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Not going to answer this again, several members here have tried to explain why this is an incorrect interpretation of a first responder’s job - while I get your ‘absolutism’ from a moral point of view your obtuseness in understanding professional standards of risk assessment or why it’s even necessary to prevent further loss of life, is beginning to look like attention seeking tbh.
I was playing out unsupervised from the age of about 8. If I had been with my older brother (three year older) I would have gone out younger. I was walking to school on my own from 6.
That’s really terrible newsSadly the 4th child has passed away
Awful news. It’s obviously terrible when any child dies but especially at this time of year. RIPSadly the 4th child has passed away
Not really true though. There are plenty of examples where someone had suffered the ultimate cost whilst saving someone. Case earlier this year of a father that dived into lake Garda, saved his son but he sadly drowned.
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