[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

Sunak has no idea of what powers (or lack of) a PM actually has. The judiciary is not the plaything of the politicians. Somebody needs to remind him that the Criminal Justice System has been woefully underfunded for 14 years, including closing courts down.

 

[TomandJerry]

In his speech opening the debate Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister, said:

I don’t believe that our membership of the European convention on human rights is sustainable.

 

[TomandJerry]

The Conservative MP Giles Watling has published a statement on his website suggesting he would like to see British troops deployed in northern France to stop the boats.

 

[TomandJerry]

Unions have condemned a planned change to Whitehall rules meaning civil servants must ignore Strasbourg judgments halting Rwanda deportation flights.

The illegal migration minister, Michael Tomlinson, said on Wednesday that ministers were planning to tweak the civil service code to order officials to follow ministerial decisions even if they block last-minute injunctions from the European court of human rights.

 

[A1X]

In his speech opening the debate Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister, said:

I don’t believe that our membership of the European convention on human rights is sustainable.

The Conservative MP Giles Watling has published a statement on his website suggesting he would like to see British troops deployed in northern France to stop the boats.

Jesus wept this is going to be a long evening...

 

[Hotchilidog]

The Conservative MP Giles Watling has published a statement on his website suggesting he would like to see British troops deployed in northern France to stop the boats.

These people are just demented. The way this issue is abused is quite frankly disgusting. No regard for the people seeking refuge or any for international law which is clearly just for other people now and not us or those we consider allies.

A racist distraction from the failings of government and it's blatant corruption.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Rwanda President has said UK can have their money back if the fxxkwits give up on this stupid idea (or word to that effect).

Your move dickheads....

 

[TomandJerry]

Rwandan President Paul Kagame has offered to return money given to his country by UK taxpayers for the government's flagship asylum plan if no refugees end up going to Rwanda.

 

[A1X]

Rwanda President has said UK can have their money back if the fxxkwits give up on this stupid idea (or word to that effect).

Your move dickheads....

Even he's fed up of them, and I can't say I blame him

 

[Pevenseagull]

Vinegar tits Braverman speaking now on Safety of Rwanda Bill.

Fortunately I have some omeperazole.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Even he's fed up of them, and I can't say I blame him

I would imagine that he's concerned that the reputation of Rwanda would be compromised if his country got in bed with some rogue state that had no respect for international law.

 

[rippleman]

If, the end game for the Rwanda shambles is to remove the UK from the ECHR, and they truly believe that the majority of the UK population wants their Human Rights to be at the whim of the Government, why not call a GE, and make it a manifesto pledge.

This morning on Today prog the Minister for Illegal Immigration (who he? Ed) kept banging on about the ECHR being a "foreign court". The interviewer kept interjecting to point out that the ECHR was an international court. In the end she resorted to cat-mat-bat for him. Nope. The thick twat then again refered to the ECHR as being a foreign court.

Just how thick do you need to be to get a ministerial position in this government?

 

[TomandJerry]

Back in the Commons, Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, is speaking.

She says the bill as drafted will lead to a re-run of what happened in the summer of 2022 when a plane was blocked from leaving for Rwanda by an injunction from the European court of human rights.

She says these injunctions were not part of the original European convention of human rights. They were invented by the court, as part of the process by which it has expanded its remit.

And she says Labour’s Human Rights Act has made the situation worse. It has encouraged a rights culture, and decisions by the government has been undermined by an activist legal industry.

 

[TomandJerry]

As Braverman condemns the ECHR as a “foreign court”, Labour’s Stella Creasy asks, if the ECHR is a foreign court, what is Nato?

Braverman claims that’s “elementary politics”. She says the court does not have the UK’s interests at heart.

 

[rippleman]

Sunak has no idea of what powers (or lack of) a PM actually has. The judiciary is not the plaything of the politicians. Somebody needs to remind him that the Criminal Justice System has been woefully underfunded for 14 years, including closing courts down.

Fast track appeals for some - but not for others.

This would have been a far sounder idea for quashing all the PO convictions rather than doing it by way of legislation. A dangerous precedent has been set if a government can just introduce a Bill to over-ride any decision of any British court.

 

[the larks]

Meanwhile did anyone hear the article that it's come to light Crown owned post offices ( directly owned and managedc by the PO ) used the horizon system, reported shortfalls and the missing money was written off, no one apprently held to account, whilst sub post office owners were prosecuted. Mnnnn

 

[TomandJerry]

Wow

Clause 3 “Stand Part” of the Safety of Rwanda Bill has been backed 339 to 264. A majority of 75. The Clause disapplies elements of human rights law, to ensure that courts defer to Parliament’s “sovereign view” that Rwanda is safe.

 

[TomandJerry]

Next vote was on a motion that clauses 5, 6, 7 and 8 “stand part” of the Safety of Rwanda Bill. They were backed 340 to 263, a majority of 77.

These clauses include measures which insist it is for ministers to decide when they will comply with interim measures from the Strasbourg court.

 

[TomandJerry]

Next vote on Amendment 36. This requires the publication of a full impact assessment on the costs involved in removal to Rwanda before the Bill comes into force. This was rejected by 339 votes to 263. A majority of 76.

 

[TomandJerry]

MPs voted 338 to 264, a majority 74, to reject a Labour amendment that sought to require the Government to report to Parliament if a person previously relocated to Rwanda had been returned to the UK due to being involved in serious crime.