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fly high
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She has obviously been well schooled by lawyer. Saying what all the other PO investigators, lawyers & executives said; no I never saw it, no I didn't read it, I wasn't at the meetings, I trusted info from experts and so on and so on. What crap is Paula Vennells spew when she faces questions? Same old, same old; not my fault.
Postmistress interviewed on Breakfast said she just wanted the truth, not her truth, the real truth. Not going to get it.
fly high
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Scrub yourself in disinfectant.
Iggle Piggle
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Just to put some context around the remote access comments. I've been in the IT game 25+ years and every system I've ever seen has some sort of remote access. If you phone up your insurance company within minutes someone at the other end can pull up your details, access your account, refund you money etc. The principals of this would be no different.
The questions that need asking who be what were the access, security, processes and procedures around this? The remote access thing is a red herring in my view.
Sorry, back to the stoning everyone
fly high
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However PO kept saying only postmaters had access to their system so they must be crooks.
Ding Dong !
Boy I'm HOT today !
Those in the know need a little time doing Porridge for sure.
Official Old Man
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I'm with you on the red herring. Just because Fujitsu had access to the system, I doubt very much that someone sat in the basement punching in random amounts to be deducted from certain branches. But it was this fact that they lied about that really made headlines. In truth there was a glitch in the whole software system that was causing individual branches showing losses.
fly high
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But every one of them saying 'I know nothing'.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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I didn't realise your memory could get lost in the post.
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MTSeagulls
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- Sep 18, 2019
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Urghhh Gwylan's got VD
dejavuatbtn
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Much is to do with whoever audited the system. It was suggested in the hearing today that it had been audited several times - I find that amazing. Auditors need naming and shaming.
I wonder if she was once on their published list of alumni?
Lets face it, the University of Bradford has bigger image issues than her.
The word "Bradford" featuring so prominently in the name being the main one.
clapham_gull
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Both out for the season according to Andy Naylor.
I've watched a fair bit recently and there's multiple things going on. Fujitsu expert providing unreliable evidence that refuted SMPR claims of systemic issues. PO then decided, they couldn't put on the stand as it was found they knew about issues with Horizon, but did continue to use them to guide PO prosecutions.
The remote access was known for a long time but spun by saying they couldn't edit or change entries made by SMPR's, but they could insert new transactions.
There were defects going back to 2010 that were known about that impacted multiple branches, legal staff knew but it was considered to be unrelated to the prosecutions (or that's the claim)
Deloitte did provide a technical audit and uncovered gaps and holes in controls that could have allowed a rogue individual to create ghost entries without SMPR knowing
Evidence of discussions about the Horizon issues not being disclosed properly, evidence and/or minutes of meetings alledged to have been got rid of
The overwhelming thing for me is how incompetent some the most senior people appear to be. The PO appeared to have been a total basket case, losing loads of money but all underwritten by the government. The Government claiming to have an arms length relationship is probably one of the most shocking aspects. It owns 100% of it!!
Boroseagull
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If ever there were clearer examples of 'The Peter Principle' I've yet to see them.
A new low today, the senior PO bosses response to the suicide attempt and then death of Martin Griffiths.
I did laugh when the counsel said don't answer like an automaton, I think there were sniggers from the public gallery disguised as coughs.
I did laugh when the counsel said don't answer like an automaton, I think there were sniggers from the public gallery disguised as coughs.
Talby
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- Dec 24, 2023
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The inquiry continues show that the PO will block the truth from getting out. It’s like an ‘I am Spartacus’ of denial.
It’s suggested that, as well as the executive, everyone involved in prosecutions got bonuses with each wrongful prosecution.
As an aside which I hope admin won’t mind me mentioning - a couple of articles in the press, posts on social media and comments on here have elicited zero response from the club or various local journalists.
I’m aware the club monitor this so I won’t say anything to cause alarm but freedom to comment and voice concern or question the decision making of others has been part of our society’s fabric. The country didn’t play a role in the abolishment of slavery by staying quiet, likewise suffragettes in having a voice.
We might not hold the purse strings or run the club but we do have a view. Limiting fans ability to comment on the things at the club is at odds with the request from the powers that be to be vocal and support the team. The team and club are intertwined. FAB should be able to represent us without the club choosing the ‘best’ candidates and narrowing the role of the group to a point where it’s just a tick in the box. Fans forums should be able to be free from control too.
Yes, the club are communicative but, having read responses in relation to questions from fans regarding the FA cup replay decision….they're polite but they do read as ‘thank you but your knowledge is inferior’.
The more we hear from the PO Inquiry suggests a deep flaw in the actions of all involved. The victims are those who lost everything, not those who pursued them.
It’s suggested that, as well as the executive, everyone involved in prosecutions got bonuses with each wrongful prosecution.
As an aside which I hope admin won’t mind me mentioning - a couple of articles in the press, posts on social media and comments on here have elicited zero response from the club or various local journalists.
I’m aware the club monitor this so I won’t say anything to cause alarm but freedom to comment and voice concern or question the decision making of others has been part of our society’s fabric. The country didn’t play a role in the abolishment of slavery by staying quiet, likewise suffragettes in having a voice.
We might not hold the purse strings or run the club but we do have a view. Limiting fans ability to comment on the things at the club is at odds with the request from the powers that be to be vocal and support the team. The team and club are intertwined. FAB should be able to represent us without the club choosing the ‘best’ candidates and narrowing the role of the group to a point where it’s just a tick in the box. Fans forums should be able to be free from control too.
Yes, the club are communicative but, having read responses in relation to questions from fans regarding the FA cup replay decision….they're polite but they do read as ‘thank you but your knowledge is inferior’.
The more we hear from the PO Inquiry suggests a deep flaw in the actions of all involved. The victims are those who lost everything, not those who pursued them.
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slimes
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- The BBC has found that on the eve of Misra’s trial, the Post Office legal team had documents saying contradictory things about remote access to the Horizon system
- Only one of those documents was submitted to court - a witness statement falsely stating that remote access was not possible
Thunder Bolt
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This is explosive from the Law Gazette.