[Albion] Jason Steele signs new deal

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I can't think of one - he is incredibly consistent... and I suspect that's why he's earnt the new contract.

Well done JS - useful squad player, exemplary attitude.

True. What other senior player was content to wait as long for first team minutes?

 

[Justice]

You could see how well liked he was at the end of last season where we guaranteed Europe- the celebrations in the dressing room

Compared to Sunday when Lallana said the dressing room atmosphere was flat

'He excelled and made 15 Premier League appearances as we secured our best top-tier finish of sixth, as well as qualifying for European competition for the first time.'

Yeah, ok then...

You can’t disagree with that yet it goes back to my original point we scored plenty in the majority of those games. Southampton was looking dodgy two shots two goals from them a lucky offside gave us a win. It’s the amount of shots at goal ratio that teams score from that is worrying. Fulham’s goal wasn’t in the corner and he was nowhere near it.

So the outfield players not taking their chances – or Leno making saves – is Steele's fault? I get your point, but it's not quite as simple as that, surely.

Anyway, great news – love the fella

I always look at the clean sheet stat which there hasn’t been very many under JS. I can think off two since he’s come in off the top of my head.

 

[KNC]

I’m really happy about this. He’s a competent goalie. But, more so he ‘gets’ it
he fills me with confidence
and RDZ loves him. Enough for me.

 

[tstanbur]

Well deserved. Plenty of top saves here for those that need their selective memories jogging

 

[Weststander]

Compared to Sunday when Lallana said the dressing room atmosphere was flat

You can’t disagree with that yet it goes back to my original point we scored plenty in the majority of those games. Southampton was looking dodgy two shots two goals from them a lucky offside gave us a win. It’s the amount of shots at goal ratio that teams score from that is worrying. Fulham’s goal wasn’t in the corner and he was nowhere near it.

I always look at the clean sheet stat which there hasn’t been very many under JS. I can think off two since he’s come in off the top of my head.

We had 12 PL clean sheets last season, joint 6th best. Steele’s 16 PL game stint in last season’s run-in included clean sheets against:
West Ham
Palarse
Bmuff
Wolves
ManU
Arsenal

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Steele's career is testimony to his mettle and I hope he forges ahead.

Compared to Sunday when Lallana said the dressing room atmosphere was flat

You can’t disagree with that yet it goes back to my original point we scored plenty in the majority of those games. Southampton was looking dodgy two shots two goals from them a lucky offside gave us a win. It’s the amount of shots at goal ratio that teams score from that is worrying. Fulham’s goal wasn’t in the corner and he was nowhere near it.

I always look at the clean sheet stat which there hasn’t been very many under JS. I can think off two since he’s come in off the top of my head.

It wasn’t a lucky offside…it was an offside. You’re either offside or you’re not.

As for your “original point” yes we did score plenty more than the opposition but Steele’s footwork plays a part in this; he literally has assists to his name. RDZ’s keep-possession-and-entice-the-opposition game is very high risk but he feels, on balance, it gives us the best opportunity to win games. It’s the same with the goalkeeper, he’s arguably better with his feet than his hands but on balance, this also gives us the best opportunity to win games. Roberto has been proven right so far.

If you “always look at the clean sheet stat” then maybe Roberto isn’t the person for you?

 

[Justice]

It wasn’t a lucky offside…it was an offside. You’re either offside or you’re not.

As for your “original point” yes we did score plenty more than the opposition but Steele’s footwork plays a part in this; he literally has assists to his name. RDZ’s keep-possession-and-entice-the-opposition game is very high risk but he feels, on balance, it gives us the best opportunity to win games. It’s the same with the goalkeeper, he’s arguably better with his feet than his hands but on balance, this also gives us the best opportunity to win games. Roberto has been proven right so far.

If you “always look at the clean sheet stat” then maybe Roberto isn’t the person for you?

Really? Pervis was onside at Palace, Diaz was onside at Spurs I’m sticking with lucky with this lot of officials in charge.

I get what you’re saying about Steele although it’s like having half a keeper. Good with his feet most of time yet most shots on target end up in the onion bag. Roberto said himself after Ajax he’s been waiting a very long time for a clean sheet so are you saying he doesn’t care about it?
If also seems strange to have the Dutch international keeper on the bench that cost us best part of £20m but what do I know.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Really? Pervis was onside at Palace, Diaz was onside at Spurs I’m sticking with lucky with this lot of officials in charge.

I get what you’re saying about Steele although it’s like having half a keeper. Good with his feet most of time yet most shots on target end up in the onion bag. Roberto said himself after Ajax he’s been waiting a very long time for a clean sheet so are you saying he doesn’t care about it?
If also seems strange to have the Dutch international keeper on the bench that cost us best part of £20m but what do I know.

But Bart as promising as he is, has not had the best of starts in some respects.

A little ponderous with the ball, and if your thing is shot stopping, also been beaten in a similar manner to Steele.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Really? Pervis was onside at Palace, Diaz was onside at Spurs I’m sticking with lucky with this lot of officials in charge.

I get what you’re saying about Steele although it’s like having half a keeper. Good with his feet most of time yet most shots on target end up in the onion bag. Roberto said himself after Ajax he’s been waiting a very long time for a clean sheet so are you saying he doesn’t care about it?

It was clearly and correcty called as offside. Where does the luck come into this? You will have to explain this.

I am sure he would like to have clean sheets, to suggest otherwise is silly. That said, I have no idea how much he actually cares about this; it's clearly not his main consideration.

 

[Garyoldfan]

If I’m to get this right by looking at this thread, 99% of people are happy with Steele. Case dismissed.

 

[dazzer6666]

If I’m to get this right by looking at this thread, 99% of people are happy with Steele. Case dismissed.

Think this is right, but equally it’s ok to point out where some improvement could be seen. Some of his ’pure‘ GK stats don’t compare well with others, but that has to be balanced as part of the wider JS we get. Specifically in terms of ‘expected saves’, he’s well down the list of PL keepers, and actually bottom of the PSxG-GA ‘table’ (explanation below - but would I swap him for Sa ? Not in a million years)

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[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Really? Pervis was onside at Palace, Diaz was onside at Spurs I’m sticking with lucky with this lot of officials in charge.

I get what you’re saying about Steele although it’s like having half a keeper. Good with his feet most of time yet most shots on target end up in the onion bag. Roberto said himself after Ajax he’s been waiting a very long time for a clean sheet so are you saying he doesn’t care about it?
If also seems strange to have the Dutch international keeper on the bench that cost us best part of £20m but what do I know.

According to the stats sites we've faced 32 shots on target when Jason Steele has been playing (PL games only), he's let in 12 and saved 20 of those shots (6 of those goals against coming in one disastrous game). If those stats are correct then he's saving over 60% of shots he's facing, which means most shots on target are not going in. Yes he isn't high in the save percentage table this season but he's currently above recently crowned worlds best goalkeeper Emiliano Martínez.

I'm sure RDZ was delighted with the clean sheet against Ajax, but he no doubt realises that clean sheets are down to more than just the goalkeeper (in the same way that goals let in are down to more than 1 player, and goals scored aren't just because of a single player either).

 

[dazzer6666]

According to the stats sites we've faced 32 shots on target when Jason Steele has been playing (PL games only), he's let in 12 and saved 20 of those shots (6 of those goals against coming in one disastrous games). If those stats are correct then he's saving over 60% of shots he's facing, which means most shots on target are not going in. Yes he isn't high in the save percentage table this season but he's currently above recently crowned worlds best goalkeeper Emiliano Martínez.

I'm sure RDZ was delighted with the clean sheet against Ajax, but he no doubt realises that clean sheets are down to more than just the goalkeeper (in the same way that goals let in are down to more than 1 player, and goals scored aren't just because of a single player either).

 

[Thunder Bolt]

According to the stats sites we've faced 32 shots on target when Jason Steele has been playing (PL games only), he's let in 12 and saved 20 of those shots (6 of those goals against coming in one disastrous game). If those stats are correct then he's saving over 60% of shots he's facing, which means most shots on target are not going in. Yes he isn't high in the save percentage table this season but he's currently above recently crowned worlds best goalkeeper Emiliano Martínez.

I'm sure RDZ was delighted with the clean sheet against Ajax, but he no doubt realises that clean sheets are down to more than just the goalkeeper (in the same way that goals let in are down to more than 1 player, and goals scored aren't just because of a single player either).

2 of those 6 goals have since been said should’ve been disallowed.

 

[Justice]

It was clearly and correcty called as offside. Where does the luck come into this? You will have to explain this.

I am sure he would like to have clean sheets, to suggest otherwise is silly. That said, I have no idea how much he actually cares about this; it's clearly not his main consideration.

You know even with VAR offsides aren’t always correctly called. On this occasion they got it correct although it could of gone a against us.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You know even with VAR offsides aren’t always correctly called. On this occasion they got it correct although it could of gone a against us.

You're conflating two different arguments now.

The fact of the matter is the Soton offside was correctly called. You cannot argue this was lucky because it was not inccorrectly called. If we go down this route then I can say all of the goals conceded by Steele were lucky because they were not (incorrectly) called as fouls or offsides

I get your point about Steele, this is a matter of opinion. But a goal which is correctly ruled as offside is not a lucky offside. It's offside. Period.

PS as it is Friday I will overlook your use of of instead of have

 

[Greg Bobkin]

We had 12 PL clean sheets last season, joint 6th best. Steele’s 16 PL game stint in last season’s run-in included clean sheets against:
West Ham
Palarse
Bmuff
Wolves
ManU
Arsenal

And the fact that there haven't been any(?) clean sheets in the league so far is OBVIOUSLY down to Steele. Not the fact that the defenders/defensive players have left, plus the fact that there have been injury/form issues with defenders/defensive players.

CLEARLY it's 100% the fault of our Jase...

 

[Justice]

PS as it is Friday I will overlook your use of of instead of have

You do you

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

I think it’s clear at this point that I’m not a big fan of Steele. For all his strengths with the ball, he doesn’t do a lot of the conventional goalkeeping particularly well, and we’re conceding a lot of goals with him between the sticks.

But I appreciate that RDZ wants his attributes with the ball at his feet and rates him for what he can do rather than what he can’t do. So I’m happy for him.

That won’t make me more comfortable with having him as our goalkeeper though.

 

[albionalex]

Compared to Sunday when Lallana said the dressing room atmosphere was flat

You can’t disagree with that yet it goes back to my original point we scored plenty in the majority of those games. Southampton was looking dodgy two shots two goals from them a lucky offside gave us a win. It’s the amount of shots at goal ratio that teams score from that is worrying. Fulham’s goal wasn’t in the corner and he was nowhere near it.

I always look at the clean sheet stat which there hasn’t been very many under JS. I can think off two since he’s come in off the top of my head.

This season, we are scoring 2.3 goals per game and conceding 1.9 goals per game. 0 clean sheets. We are 7th in the league with 17 points.

Crystal Palace (ew) are scoring 0.8 goals per game and conceding 1.3 goals per game. 4 clean sheets. They are 13th in the league with 12 points.

Obviously clean sheets are good but it is not really a stat that is indicative of the goalkeeper. The more expansive and attacking you are, the more likely you will score but at the same time, more likely to conceded.