[Politics] How long will Brexit continue to dominate British Politics ?

[South Stand Bonfire]

You should have finished your post with the word BADLY!

No, no, I won’t have that. The Brexit deal was oven ready. The blond liar just forgot to turn the oven on.

 

[Eric the meek]

Not that different to the rest of the UK really - the latest survey does indicate a quite large majority (58 v 32) who think we should have stayed.

Brexit poll 2023 | Statista

The share of people who regret Brexit has increased since the UK left the EU. Recent polls show a growing majority think it was the wrong decision.

www.statista.com

That says it all.

Brexit isn't what leave voters thought it was. It isn't the success leave voters thought it would be. Brexit has not delivered whatever Brexit voters thought it would deliver.

Here we are, 7 years 4 months after the Brexit vote. The 52:48 vote for Brexit is now 58:32 saying we should have stayed in. That's not a fluke, or some anomaly in the data.

It's the product of 7 years 4 months of cold, hard, brutal, real-world, post-Brexit experience.

 

[Is it PotG?]

That says it all.

Brexit isn't what leave voters thought it was. It isn't the success leave voters thought it would be. Brexit has not delivered whatever Brexit voters thought it would deliver.

Here we are, 7 years 4 months after the Brexit vote. The 52:48 vote for Brexit is now 58:32 saying we should have stayed in. That's not a fluke, or some anomaly in the data.

It's the product of 7 years 4 months of cold, hard, brutal, real-world, post-Brexit experience.

It's not as simple as that.

Corbyn and Bercow sticking their oar in, COVID and Ukraine have combined to make the transition a lot more complex than would have been otherwise.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

TBF, the remain campaign didn't tell us, in what shape or form, we could hang our hat on to remain either. Or what new integration would take place without anybody (except pro-EU MPs) having a vote on.

Ironic. Remainers cannot seem to grasp the idea that 'remain' was just as much an 'article of faith' as was 'leave' to leavers. To remainers, remaining in the EU it was also sunshine and smiles, economic heaven and sunny uplands all round, without much substance - but everybody would be happy and everything wonderful. Yep, Disney could have scripted that too.
I'm bowing out of this 'debate' again now (because the massive bulk of opinion on NSC, as opposed to much of the rest of the UK, is hugely remainer territory) because it is not so much a debate here as an echo chamber of chaps revelling in confirmation bias. Fair do's - enjoy yourselves.
I will just leave with the thought that thank f*** our government (probably more through luck than judgement - they're all either stupid or corrupt, aren't they, or have I misread NSC?) had the sense (unwittingly) and the balls to say, 'Sod off to joining the Euro' - post Brexit that really would have enabled the EU to make things difficult.

That’s quite a fantasy you’ve built up there. No wonder you brought Disney into it.
The EU isn’t perfect, and not one supporter of it, has ever said it was.
Don’t diss the decision to keep the pound. It was made in 1992. Britain also had other vetoes through negotiation.
Remainers had 40 years of experience of cooperation with Europe, cooperation and negotiations plus the previous 12 years of being in EFTA.
The polling was fairly even until the lies on the bus. Dominic Cummings admitted his idea of money to the NHS swung it for them. Lies about Turkey and conscription to an EU Army.
For the record, Britain never sent £350M to the EU, as all the rebates were deducted first.

Continue to justify your opinion based on fantasies, but do not blame Remainers.

 

[Weststander]

That says it all.

Brexit isn't what leave voters thought it was. It isn't the success leave voters thought it would be. Brexit has not delivered whatever Brexit voters thought it would deliver.

Here we are, 7 years 4 months after the Brexit vote. The 52:48 vote for Brexit is now 58:32 saying we should have stayed in. That's not a fluke, or some anomaly in the data.

It's the product of 7 years 4 months of cold, hard, brutal, real-world, post-Brexit experience.

The one silver lining, accepting that we can’t turn the clock back, is that 2/3’s of the nation with a young cohort to join them, know it wasn’t a success. The certainty, we know, forever. Without this, the issue would’ve trundled on for further decades, not just in the Tory party but in swathes of Welsh and English towns angry with EU migrants.

 

[Eric the meek]

It's not as simple as that.

Corbyn and Bercow sticking their oar in, COVID and Ukraine have combined to make the transition a lot more complex than would have been otherwise.

Can you see what you are doing? 'Brexit would have worked, had it not been for unforeseen circumstances, including (select your chosen scapegoats)'.

In other words, 7.33 years after the Brexit vote, you are (still) making excuses for failure.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's not as simple as that.

Corbyn and Bercow sticking their oar in, COVID and Ukraine have combined to make the transition a lot more complex than would have been otherwise.

Corbyn stuck his oar in? He was for Lexit so he didnt oppose Brexit at all.

 

[The Clamp]

It's not as simple as that.

Corbyn and Bercow sticking their oar in, COVID and Ukraine have combined to make the transition a lot more complex than would have been otherwise.

Oh come off it.

Brexit was always going to be a mess. They had four years pre-Covid to get it sorted.

Brexit doesn’t work, because it’s unworkable.

 

[Winker]

The problem with Brexit is that no-one expected leave to win so no-one planned for it.
What should have happened is that after the vote a national commission of some sort should have been assembled with all the political parties and all the major industries to put together a sensible plan.
What happened instead was that the woeful Theresa Remainer May sent a single civil servant to Brussels to get shafted.
Brexit will dominate the headlines all the time that the Brexit-deniers (metropolitan elite/BBC/Whitehall civil servants) continue to whinge and whine instead of backing the country.

 

[The Clamp]

The problem with Brexit is that no-one expected leave to win so no-one planned for it.
What should have happened is that after the vote a national commission of some sort should have been assembled with all the political parties and all the major industries to put together a sensible plan.
What happened instead was that the woeful Theresa Remainer May sent a single civil servant to Brussels to get shafted.
Brexit will dominate the headlines all the time that the Brexit-deniers (metropolitan elite/BBC/Whitehall civil servants) continue to whinge and whine instead of backing the country.

Brexit will never work. The U.K. government backs it and it still doesn’t work .

It’s unworkable. Nomatter how hard you, or anyone else believes in it.

It was a con.

 

[Eric the meek]

The problem with Brexit is that no-one expected leave to win so no-one planned for it.
What should have happened is that after the vote a national commission of some sort should have been assembled with all the political parties and all the major industries to put together a sensible plan.
What happened instead was that the woeful Theresa Remainer May sent a single civil servant to Brussels to get shafted.
Brexit will dominate the headlines all the time that the Brexit-deniers (metropolitan elite/BBC/Whitehall civil servants) continue to whinge and whine instead of backing the country.

More excuses for failure. Blame anyone and everything except Brexit.

 

[The Clamp]

More excuses for failure. Blame anyone and everything except Brexit.

It’s remarkable that people actually believe the reason Brexit is an abject failure is because the BBC doesn’t believe in it.

Small wonder it was so easy for the Leave campaign to fool so many people if this is the kind of “logic” people are employing.

 

[Eric the meek]

It’s remarkable that people actually believe the reason Brexit is an abject failure is because the BBC doesn’t believe in it.

Small wonder it was so easy for the Leave campaign to fool so many people if this is the kind of “logic” people are employing.

To be fair, that bus was quite impressive. Just think. The Brexit campaign only needed one bus to convince 52% of the voters.

 

[Blue3]

The real problem is the world is sorting itself into trading blocks while we are going it alone either we or all 194 other nations have

Active agreements​

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Stages of economic integration around the World (each country colored according to the most integrated agreement that it participates in):
Economic and monetary union(ECCU/XCD, Eurozone/EUR, Switzerland–Liechtenstein/CHF)
Economic union (CSME, EAEU, EU, GCC, Mercosur, SICA)
Common market (EEA–Switzerland)
Customs and monetary union(CEMAC/XAF, UEMOA/XOF)
Customs union (CAN, EAC, EUCU, SACU)
Multilateral free-trade area (AANZFTA, ASEAN, CEFTA, CISFTA, COMESA, CPTPP, EFTA, GAFTA, PAFTA, RCEP, SADCFTA, SAFTA, USMCA)

• v
• t
• e

• European Union Customs Union (EUCU) - 1958
• European Free Trade Association (EFTA) - 1960
• Andean Community - 1969
• Asia-Pacific Trade Agreement (APTA) - 1975
• Southern African Development Community Free Trade Area (SADCFTA) - 1980
• Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) - 1981
• Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR) - 1991
• ASEAN Free Trade Area (AFTA) - 1992[2]
• Central European Free Trade Agreement (CEFTA) - 1992[3]
• Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation(BSEC) - 1992
• Central American Integration System (SICA) - 1993
• Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa(COMESA) - 1994
• European Economic Area (EEA) - 1994
• G-3 Free Trade Agreement (G-3) - 1995
• International Grains Agreement - 1995
• Greater Arab Free Trade Area (GAFTA) - 1997[4]
• Dominican Republic–Central America Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA) - 2004
• South Asian Free Trade Area (SAFTA) - 2004[5]
• East African Community (EAC) - 2005
• ASEAN–Australia–New Zealand Free Trade Area (AANZFTA) - 2010[6]
• Pacific Alliance Free Trade Area (PAFTA) - 2012[7]
• Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) - 2018
• African Continental Free Trade Area[8] - 2019
• United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA) - 2020[9]
• Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) - 2022

Post-Soviet States only​

• Commonwealth of Independent States Agreement on the Establishment of a Free Trade Area (1994) - Multilateral Free Trade Area established on 24 November 1999 - multilateral free trade regime is in force among 10 countries as of 2023
• Eurasian Customs Union of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) - 2010 as EurAsEC Customs Union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus - 5 countries as of 2023
• Commonwealth of Independent States Free Trade Area (CISFTA) - 2011[10] - among 9 countries as of 2023
• GUAM Organization for Democracy and Economic Development (GUAM) FTA[11][12] - unclear application, the WTO was notified in only 2017 - multilateral free trade regime among 4 countries (International Trade Centre says there is no free trade area in operation with distinct rules from an Agreement on Creation of CIS Free Trade Area, was signed on 15 April 1994 by 12 CIS countries.[13])

Proposed agreements​

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• African Free Trade Zone (AFTZ) between SADC, EAC and COMESA
• Arab Maghreb Union (UMA)
• Association of Caribbean States (ACS)
• Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation (BIMSTEC)
• Canada, Australia, New Zealand and United Kingdom Union (CANZUK)
• China–Japan–South Korea Free Trade Agreement
• Community of Sahel-Saharan States (CEN-SAD)
• Commonwealth Free Trade Area (CFTA)
• Economic Community of Central African States (ECCAS)
• Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS)[14]
• Economic Partnership Agreements (EU-ACP)
• Euro-Mediterranean free trade area (EU-MEFTA)
• Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA)
• Free Trade Area of the Asia Pacific (FTAAP), proposed APEC FTA
• Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD)
• Open Balkan
• Pacific Agreement on Closer Economic Relations (PACER and PACER Plus)
• 2021 Pacific Island Countries Trade Agreement (PICTA)[15]
• Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO)[16]
• Transatlantic Free Trade Area (TAFTA)
• Tripartite Free Trade Area (T-FTA)[17]
• Union of South American Nations (USAN)
• Economic Cooperation Organization Trade Agreement (ECOTA)

 

[Weststander]

The problem with Brexit is that no-one expected leave to win so no-one planned for it.
What should have happened is that after the vote a national commission of some sort should have been assembled with all the political parties and all the major industries to put together a sensible plan.
What happened instead was that the woeful Theresa Remainer May sent a single civil servant to Brussels to get shafted.
Brexit will dominate the headlines all the time that the Brexit-deniers (metropolitan elite/BBC/Whitehall civil servants) continue to whinge and whine instead of backing the country.

The problem was that it made trading with our neighbours far more difficult. Our of fear of other nations following suit, the EU weren’t going to allow us the deals they have with Norway or Switzerland. The EU have suffered from Brexit too imho.

In addition many Europeans here went home fearing their days were numbered. I tried to reassure a couple of workers at a gym and the RSCH that this wasn’t the case. Directly affecting labour supply to a whole load of sectors here.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The problem with Brexit is that no-one expected leave to win so no-one planned for it.
What should have happened is that after the vote a national commission of some sort should have been assembled with all the political parties and all the major industries to put together a sensible plan.
What happened instead was that the woeful Theresa Remainer May sent a single civil servant to Brussels to get shafted.
Brexit will dominate the headlines all the time that the Brexit-deniers (metropolitan elite/BBC/Whitehall civil servants) continue to whinge and whine instead of backing the country.

Civil Servants make Parliament work within the existing laws of the country. They don’t have the power to stop anything, and whinging doesn’t change laws. That’s a ridiculous thing to post, and shows you believe the lies.
i was a civil servant (not in Parliament) and I couldn’t tell you how my colleagues voted. One or two made comments (pre 2014) about life in general, which gave me a clue as to their political leanings.
Next, you’ll be blaming Lefty lawyers!
Theresa May wanted to evoke Article 50 immediately, but Gina Miller, an experienced lawyer, rightly pointed out, that it took an Act of Parliament in 1973 to join the EEC, so it had to be an Act of Parliament to take us out.
Did you realise that the British Parliament is sovereign and always has been? May was forced to comply by the courts. She then panicked, and called a General Election, which she only won by bribing the DUP.
She had a deal, but Boris Johnson, and his ERG mates kept voting against it as not being hard enough, and finally forced her out.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's not as simple as that.

Corbyn and Bercow sticking their oar in, COVID and Ukraine have combined to make the transition a lot more complex than would have been otherwise.

The fact that your hero and leader of the Brexit campaign, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, had an 80 seat majority in the HOC giving him completely free reign to implement the exact brilliant Brexit deal that he campaigned for and you voted for, and is still completely shit, is of course, entirely irrelevant

 

[Is it PotG?]

The fact that your hero and leader of the Brexit campaign, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, had an 80 seat majority in the HOC giving him completely free reign to implement the exact brilliant Brexit deal that he campaigned for and you voted for, and is still completely shit, is of course, entirely irrelevant

Can you provide evidence of such?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Can you provide evidence of such?

More of a Nigel Farage man ?

My goodness that was a quick response, hope you haven't been waiting all night for me to post

 

[Biscuit]

Can you see what you are doing? 'Brexit would have worked, had it not been for unforeseen circumstances, including (select your chosen scapegoats)'.

In other words, 7.33 years after the Brexit vote, you are (still) making excuses for failure.

100% this. It was never, ever going to be a success. The damage Brexiteers have done to this country is unimaginable and will eventually lead to the break up of the union. That's on them though. I voted for a better future for my kids.