Civil War Brewing in the Ukraine?

[Blue Valkyrie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKEF5uoU_I



"Nationalists" (actually Neo-Nazi thugs) threatening and intimidating public servants.

He he. The green 'RT' ( Russia Today ) at the bottom left gives it away that this is Putin TV.

 

[Dandyman]

Hardly the type of fella to have a quiet pint with that's for sure.... but of course he's hardly wholly representative of the hundreds of thousands of ordinary Kiev protesters.

Don't disagree but if he or those like him hold at least some power then things don't look good to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

 

[Dandyman]

He he. The green 'RT' ( Russia Today ) at the bottom left gives it away that this is Putin TV.

Try the Torygraph instead if you prefer:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...position-arent-all-angels-some-are-neo-nazis/

 

[vegster]

Here we go, could be bad by morning...

No doubt a few of the foil heads will believe that this is a perfectly acceptable request.

"Ukraine's ousted President Yanukovych has asked Russia to use military force in Ukraine - Russia's UN envoy "

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Surrender by 3am or we will invade.........oh dear.

 

[Hyperion]

Putin is a war monger & has put his country back 30 years. Politically I fuc**** hate the Ruskies and have similar feelings for China. It won't be long before they throw their bull***t into the hat

 

[vegster]

Just seen a statement from Obama posted on the BBC news page, he does not have a clue frankly. He looks like a man without an idea or a plan, it does not bode well, Putin is controlling the whole thing and knows he is fireproof.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It will be a very sad night I fear for Ukraine and I am dreading waking up to news of the russians slaughtering Ukrainian soldiers.

Putin is a warmongering psychopath. Sadly Obama seems not to have learnt from history and is appeasing him.

What happens when he 'protects' the Russian minorities in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and even Poland ?

Didn't Churchill say that the next war would be with a fascist pretending to be an anti-fascist

 

[hybrid_x]

It's all about banks and corps and the markets.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/uk-seeks-russia-harm-city-london-document

 

[Rugrat]

Just seen a statement from Obama posted on the BBC news page, he does not have a clue frankly. He looks like a man without an idea or a plan, it does not bode well, Putin is controlling the whole thing and knows he is fireproof.

Putin is a warmongering psychopath. Sadly Obama seems not to have learnt from history and is appeasing him.

I'm no fan of Obama but I'm not sure what he does. Given the bad blood between the Russians and the US I see this as a Europe led effort. Even then, I cant see how this plays out in any satisfactory way, if we try to "threaten" Putin he"ll just call our bluff (as he would to the US), if we impose sanctions he'll cut off the oil and gas. Not sure what else can be done other than to try and talk and compromise. Unfortunately the losers in all of that will be Ukraine

 

[beorhthelm]

It's all about banks and corps and the markets.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/uk-seeks-russia-harm-city-london-document

that leak shows they are not going seize anything or block any trade... so its nothing to do banks or markets. this is about *Russia* wanting to impose its will on its neighbours. it wants Crimea and wants Ukraine, which it sees as part of its heritage and history to be under its control.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

The one small positive is that Putin is in total control of Russia rather than a group of people being in charge.

This means the US etc will have a detailed psychological profile of him and an idea of what works and what backfires when dealing with him.

What is discussed with Russia behind the scenes is different to what is made public.

Alledgedly he has ordered russian troops on the eastern Ukraine border to pull back to their bases

Also Ukrainian civilians have put themselves between the russian guns and the Ukrainian military bases in Crimea

 

[The Maharajah of Sydney]

Russian president Putin orders troops to return to their bases.

Orders troops engaged in military exercises to return to their bases.
Out on Reuters quoting news agencies citing Kremlin spokesman.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It's all about banks and corps and the markets.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/uk-seeks-russia-harm-city-london-document

Yes, 'not helpful' at all from the UK Government, but now they appear to be doing some serious backtracking saying this was a suggestion not agreed policy. Hmmm.

 

[hybrid_x]

that leak shows they are not going seize anything or block any trade... so its nothing to do banks or markets. this is about *Russia* wanting to impose its will on its neighbours. it wants Crimea and wants Ukraine, which it sees as part of its heritage and history to be under its control.

Lets re-type the above another way.

That leak shows they are not going seize anything or block any trade... so the western markets don't want to see any selling off. this is about *The West* wanting to impose its will on its neighbours. it wants Ukraine, which it sees as part of its low cost work force and a place where the IMF can make big loans, to be under its control.

 

[hybrid_x]

Russian president Putin orders troops to return to their bases.

Orders troops engaged in military exercises to return to their bases.
Out on Reuters quoting news agencies citing Kremlin spokesman.

MADRID (MarketWatch) -- Russian troops sent on surprise military exercises in western and central Russia were on Tuesday ordered to return to their bases,


gold has dropped tho on this.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Russian president Putin orders troops to return to their bases.

Orders troops engaged in military exercises to return to their bases.
Out on Reuters quoting news agencies citing Kremlin spokesman.

These are the 150,000 on the eastern border, not the ones in Crimea of course.

Very good news, if true. It suggests Putin isn't going for a land grab of the entire country ( for now ).

US satelites will report the truth on this anyway so it would be a pointless lie from Russia to be honest.

 

[hybrid_x]

decent graphic shows how importantthe Ukraine is to Military Bases and the Energy corps. Currently the divide between Nato and Russia.

 

[Czechmate]

Just glad no fighting been going on as we wake this morning , hope it stays that way . It looks to me the West wants to widen it's markets further East , to be honest Ukraine is commercially not in a good state so the amount the EU will have to fund Ukraine will be enormous and we will pay for it . Then there is the possibility of nothing being done against Russia by the EU , firstly , as we have seen the UK is not wanting to damage trade relations with Russia as a lot has been invested , secondly Russian money is big business for London banks (Tories looking after their own again) . Then there is other EU countries , Germany do not want to take any action because 30% of their gas comes from Russia , France do not want to stop trade or an arms embargo because they are building 2 warships for the Russian navy .

So to me the attitude is f--k the Ukraine people we want to consider our own benefits first , it will be an interesting meeting on Thursday between the EU heads of state .

 

[beorhthelm]

... It looks to me the West wants to widen it's markets further East , to be honest Ukraine is commercially not in a good state so the amount the EU will have to fund Ukraine will be enormous and we will pay for it .

not sure where this idea is coming from. the EU is not very interested in the Ukraine for exactly the reason you give and there's little appetite to be eating off Russia's plate. they aren't ready and if they were, they are behind Turkey in the queue. now Ukrainians, at least western ones, want to join the EU, but its not reciprocated.