Brighton station trouble

[Yoda]

Are the rail staff that used to take up the offer to work shifts that would otherwise be a rest day still taking up this offer and working or have they stopped all of this type of shift as a part of the industrial action taken by Union members?

GTR have just pissed them off so much they just down right refuse to work rest days and the vast majority of them are Drivers so are ASLEF not RMT.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Are you really that THICK ? You do know making such UNTRUE statements are libellous ?

Ooh, look at Ernest trying to be the bully, pretty much the norm from the far left. The last thing Albion fans need right now is that leech Cash trying to make hay from the plight of the general public, who he normally gives not one iota of thought about when it suits his Trotsky agenda.

Run along now Ernest.....

 

[Ernest]

Ooh, look at Ernest trying to be the bully, pretty much the norm from the far left. The last thing Albion fans need right now is that leech Cash trying to make hay from the plight of the general public, who he normally gives not one iota of thought about when it suits his Trotsky agenda.

Run along now Ernest.....

About time you left for Australia or is it that they don't let STUPID people in ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

The Brighton-Lewes line needs to be broken off from the rest of the franchise and the albion need to run it themselves for 365 days a year.

Any shareholder profits Barber receives can then be credited against FFP as well.

Win-Win.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

GTR have just pissed them off so much they just down right refuse to work rest days and the vast majority of them are Drivers so are ASLEF not RMT.

So the shortfall in staff numbers used to be met by staff working overtime in order to deliver the required services. There was no issue with this process to fill vacant hours from the staff or the union prior to the operators attempts to change a procedure so that drivers close the doors instead of guards (who are still on the trains) but because of this proposed change, they are refusing to work any overtime so the operator suddenly finds itself with no way to fill this shortfall and therefore forced to cancel services, massively inconveniencing passengers.

Union members are pissed at their employers because they want to change the working practices of some of their employees (the guards, as is their right to change their working duties, etc) and despite the changes not being a threat to jobs, the union fears that it could be (eventually) and they have encouraged their staff to strike, to not work overtime, etc... in order cause as much disruption as possible and therefore to influence and dictate how a company operates (When this is not what a union should be there for, if they what to run companies, they should apply for those positions and legitimately get those roles rather than undermine those who have taken them on through scaremongering and tactics used to be as disruptive as possible to get their way)

The operators proposals don't have job losses, the system changes don't make it any less safe for passengers, and the system has been used on other lines / routes used by other operators and therefore been proved to work.

So why are they (the union) so opposed to Southern following suit and thus prefer to take this course of action, leading this massive inconvenience to passengers (not that the union cares about them, just their members and also trying to dictate operating practices that the company should use when it's not got anything to do with them) PR games trying to hide this strategy and blame the operator for all the passengers woes

The Union should be getting far more grief than they are for their part in the misery that they are causing the passengers (who are the victims here)

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

So the shortfall in staff numbers used to be met by staff working overtime in order to deliver the required services. There was no issue with this process to fill vacant hours from the staff or the union prior to the operators attempts to change a procedure so that drivers close the doors instead of guards (who are still on the trains) but because of this proposed change, they are refusing to work any overtime so the operator suddenly finds itself with no way to fill this shortfall and therefore forced to cancel services, massively inconveniencing passengers.

Union members are pissed at their employers because they want to change the working practices of some of their employees (the guards, as is their right to change their working duties, etc) and despite the changes not being a threat to jobs, the union fears that it could be (eventually) and they have encouraged their staff to strike, to not work overtime, etc... in order cause as much disruption as possible and therefore to influence and dictate how a company operates (When this is not what a union should be there for, if they what to run companies, they should apply for those positions and legitimately get those roles rather than undermine those who have taken them on through scaremongering and tactics used to be as disruptive as possible to get their way)

The operators proposals don't have job losses, the system changes don't make it any less safe for passengers, and the system has been used on other lines / routes used by other operators and therefore been proved to work.

So why are they (the union) so opposed to Southern following suit and thus prefer to take this course of action, leading this massive inconvenience to passengers (not that the union cares about them, just their members and also trying to dictate operating practices that the company should use when it's not got anything to do with them) PR games trying to hide this strategy and blame the operator for all the passengers woes

The Union should be getting far more grief than they are for their part in the misery that they are causing the passengers (who are the victims here)

Yes. If you grind all your goodwill out of your staff this sort of thing tends to happen to voluntary duties.

It shows that relying on volunteers from a workforce that you don't treat well is not a great business strategy.

They either need more full time staff, or they need to somehow get back the goodwill.

 

[Ernest]

So the shortfall in staff numbers used to be met by staff working overtime in order to deliver the required services. There was no issue with this process to fill vacant hours from the staff or the union prior to the operators attempts to change a procedure so that drivers close the doors instead of guards (who are still on the trains) but because of this proposed change, they are refusing to work any overtime so the operator suddenly finds itself with no way to fill this shortfall and therefore forced to cancel services, massively inconveniencing passengers.

Union members are pissed at their employers because they want to change the working practices of some of their employees (the guards, as is their right to change their working duties, etc) and despite the changes not being a threat to jobs, the union fears that it could be (eventually) and they have encouraged their staff to strike, to not work overtime, etc... in order cause as much disruption as possible and therefore to influence and dictate how a company operates (When this is not what a union should be there for, if they what to run companies, they should apply for those positions and legitimately get those roles rather than undermine those who have taken them on through scaremongering and tactics used to be as disruptive as possible to get their way)

The operators proposals don't have job losses, the system changes don't make it any less safe for passengers, and the system has been used on other lines / routes used by other operators and therefore been proved to work.

So why are they (the union) so opposed to Southern following suit and thus prefer to take this course of action, leading this massive inconvenience to passengers (not that the union cares about them, just their members and also trying to dictate operating practices that the company should use when it's not got anything to do with them) PR games trying to hide this strategy and blame the operator for all the passengers woes

The Union should be getting far more grief than they are for their part in the misery that they are causing the passengers (who are the victims here)

So why don't SASTA employ the correct number of staff ? Remembering a year ago when they were getting grief they promised to recruit more staff and then reneged on it , if SASTA employ the right number of staff to run trains, man stations etc then there would have been no problems but people like you are so stupid as to see it and prefer to keep blaming the unions

 

[Scotty Mac]

So why don't SASTA employ the correct number of staff ? Remembering a year ago when they were getting grief they promised to recruit more staff and then reneged on it , if SASTA employ the right number of staff to run trains, man stations etc then there would have been no problems but people like you are so stupid as to see it and prefer to keep blaming the unions

They could employ the entire population of Russia. Wouldn't make any difference if those 143.5 million all joined the RMT, went on a strike once a month or had a sickness record that defies most medical logic

 

[Papa Lazarou]

They could employ the entire population of Russia. Wouldn't make any difference if those 143.5 million all joined the RMT, went on a strike once a month or had a sickness record that defies most medical logic

At the moment the rate of strikes is 4-6 per month

 

[Yoda]

They could employ the entire population of Russia. Wouldn't make any difference if those 143.5 million all joined the RMT, went on a strike once a month or had a sickness record that defies most medical logic

Considering that for even ONE DAY, a guard or driver now has to have a signed medical certificate from a Doctor, and said Doctor could lose their license to practice if found to be fraudulent (so won't be issuing one for "The Sniffles") there is no "sickness record that defies most medical logic". It's just SASTA trying to divert attention away from themselves. Ask yourself why they have never produced proof of this supposed sickness when challenged by the media?

 

[Scotty Mac]

Considering that for even ONE DAY, a guard or driver now has to have a signed medical certificate from a Doctor, and said Doctor could lose their license to practice if found to be fraudulent (so won't be issuing one for "The Sniffles") there is no "sickness record that defies most medical logic". It's just SASTA trying to divert attention away from themselves. Ask yourself why they have never produced proof of this supposed sickness when challenged by the media?

Because Southern are the most incompetent company in the country would be my strongest guess?

 

[Yoda]

Because Southern are the most incompetent company in the country would be my strongest guess?

 

[GT49er]

The Brighton-Lewes line needs to be broken off from the rest of the franchise and the albion need to run it themselves for 365 days a year.

I realise that this suggestion was made light-heartedly, but I wonder if just possibly this idea has legs. 50 years ago, clubs often used to commission special trains - back in those days of course there was surplus stock available for high days and holidays, unlike now - but one club actually bought its own train and ran it quite successfully for a few years.

It might not be that impractical for Albion to buy a couple of oldish second hand trains (there wouldn't be a need for state of the art modern expensive ones) to shuttle between Brighton and Lewes on match days. They could offer part time extra jobs to SASTA drivers and guards who were willing to work on match days. It might just be worth looking into.

 

[beorhthelm]

You STUPID idiot

Are you really that THICK ? You do know making such UNTRUE statements are libellous ?

Uncovered on the Wednesday, duties that would have been covered by rest day workings as they were vacancies on the roster not due to short notice shortages

you know you might get a bit further if you cut out the insult and derision and explained the details to people who might miss a point or two.

what you/Cash seem to be suggesting is that 11 drivers and 8 guard roles were left unfilled on the roster, so Southern where never going to maintain a full service on Friday night - is that it? Cash seems more concernedby the Health and Safety angle protecting the members, though he also seems to suggest that Southern put on extra capacity when thats never been the case for week day games (you yourself have explained this iirc).

 

[dazzer6666]

you know you might get a bit further if you cut out the insult and derision and explained the details to people who might miss a point or two.

what you/Cash seem to be suggesting is that 11 drivers and 8 guard roles were left unfilled on the roster, so Southern where never going to maintain a full service on Friday night - is that it? Cash seems more concernedby the Health and Safety angle protecting the members, though he also seems to suggest that Southern put on extra capacity when thats never been the case for week day games (you yourself have explained this iirc).

If that is indeed it, why didn't they put out warnings of cancellations earlier, or heaven forbid, find some contingency arrangements ? Because neither SASTA or the RMT give a single flying **** about the passengers.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

So why don't SASTA employ the correct number of staff ? Remembering a year ago when they were getting grief they promised to recruit more staff and then reneged on it , if SASTA employ the right number of staff to run trains, man stations etc then there would have been no problems but people like you are so stupid as to see it and prefer to keep blaming the unions

Did they have to cancel the trains and run emergency timetables before this dispute started? or did the staffing level they had (including staff working overtime) provide the cover needed for the whole service to operate normally?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

you know you might get a bit further if you cut out the insult and derision and explained the details to people who might miss a point or two.

what you/Cash seem to be suggesting is that 11 drivers and 8 guard roles were left unfilled on the roster, so Southern where never going to maintain a full service on Friday night - is that it?

Southern gave an assurance to the Club, earlier in the week, that they were going to run a full matchday service. They never withdrew that assurance until Friday night, making it impossible for the Club to implement the contingency plans that they have for dealing with shortages of trains. A bit of honesty from Southern management could have avoided all of the problems.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

There was the potential for trouble, particularly when at 7pm with a massive queue at Brighton station a surge to get on a train pushed a barrier over and people fell. Pissed-up Villa fans who had waited 45 mins were getting aggressive.

I reckon I was right where you were - the guy I saw fall was a quite old-ish Villa fan we had been chatting to in the queue.

That problem was caused because they opened the barriers all the way down the platform despite the fact that it was only a 3-carriage train that pulled in and there was still a disabled passenger being helped off the train, that meant the people at the front were the last to have the barriers opened up. I don't condone pushing or shoving but can understand the frustration when people who've been waiting an hour see that people from further back in the queue look to be getting on at their expense.

 

[bhanutz]

**** the RMT!

 

[bhanutz]

Are you really that THICK ? You do know making such UNTRUE statements are libellous ?

Ha Ha...Give me strength!