[Politics] Brighton Pavilion, Labour candidate - who to vote for?

[Thunder Bolt]

Why is it always men going on about other men in female toilets ?

Surely this subject should be an issue for women to decide. If women don't want men in their toilets then men should use the men's. Simple.

Is it simple? A man walked into the Ladies on Thursday evening as I was leaving. I told him it was the Ladies, and he argued with me that it was the mens. I argued back saying it wasn't. He then laughed and said What if I identify as a woman (no jewellery, make up or anything feminine about him).
Luckily, he stepped back, glanced up and realised he had used the wrong entrance, but as it was during the game, there wasn't anyone around except the cleaners and another lady washing her hands.

There, are you happy now?

 

[FIVESTEPS]

Yes for heaven sakes let's not bring politics into selecting an MP. What is the world coming to.

I'm looking at the very expensively produced colour leaflet from Gray dropped through my door the other day (never seen that ever done before in an internal selection in my 4 decades in the party, he's clearly got a bit of money behind him) and it's a genuine marvel how it's covered in words but doesn't contain a single policy commitment. It's just vibes -- not about doing anything, for anyone

That's the Labour way probably won't get any policies till after the election.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Yes for heaven sakes let's not bring politics into selecting an MP. What is the world coming to.

I'm looking at the very expensively produced colour leaflet from Gray dropped through my door the other day (never seen that ever done before in an internal selection in my 4 decades in the party, he's clearly got a bit of money behind him) and it's a genuine marvel how it's covered in words but doesn't contain a single policy commitment. It's just vibes -- not about doing anything, for anyone

First point - whoosh (see the post I was replying to).

Second point, by all means make your judgement on what the candidate says they will do (I’m not sure that a candidate who has never been an MP should be making policy commitments on behalf of the Labour Party btw) but rubbishing his music industry credentials (which may well not stack up in the politics world) with the same grasp on reality the aforementioned NSC councillors wannabes/flouncers have seems pretty pointless.

 

[wardy wonder land]

Why is it always men going on about other men in female toilets ?

Surely this subject should be an issue for women to decide. If women don't want men in their toilets then men should use the men's. Simple.

might be the simple fact that some men have mothers, sisters, partners, daughters and a base instinct to protect them

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

I can't believe we're arguing the toss between a stand-up comedian and a guitarist for who gets to debate foreign policy, the regulation of our financial markets; long-term investment in UK business; education policy, provision and investment; the funding of critical military intelligence, pandemic planning, UK cyber security etc. etc.

I know that I certainly don't have the brain power and bandwidth to understand, debate, strategise, and take the difficult decisions required to navigate UK PLC forward, With the best will in the world, are two activists, driven more by single issue politics, best equipped to take on the rest of the world on our behalf?

I guess they could just teach the world to sing and make 'em laugh.

What has politics come to that these are the choices we are even being given. PS, Tom, Eddie, I'm sure you're lovely people and I'm sure you're both bright, but are you bright enough to be something like the CEO of a FTSE 100 company, because that's the calibre of intelligence we're looking for in the world of politics.

Now we're down to Gomez vs Berry. The latter has extensive political experience and appears to be rather clever. I hope sense prevails.

I'm not a Tory voter. Never have been. But, I wouldn't want Labour to vote in a bunch of celebrities to parliament. I want serious and intelligent MPs. If Rory Stewart was up against Eddie Izzard for example, I'd find it hard to vote for Labour.

Couldn't your description of Tom Gray and Eddie Izzard as 'two activists, driven by single issue politics' also be applied to Sian Berry and Tom Gray?

I also find the festishisation of Rory Stewart strange. He's already shown us what he would do in power: Rory Stewart's votes in parliament difficult to think how you could see that and want more of the same over a candidate from Labour. But I suppose he does come across an intelligent and personable on a podcast.

 

[pb21]

You do

might be the simple fact that some men have mothers, sisters, partners, daughters and a base instinct to protect them

You do realise rapists can already enter toilets, of the male or female variety, don't you?

 

[beorhthelm]

Hastings Borough Council: Eighth councillor quits local Labour group

The resignations mean the Conservatives, with 10 councillors, are now the council's largest group.

www.bbc.co.uk

There you go,

Appears to stem from Sir Starmer's refusal to call for an end to the slaughter in Gaza

oh dear. on TV news last week it was report as Labour not providing the policies or support to help local government, and i wondered how being independent would help this.

sounds like they've engaged in internal politics with a side of geo-politics. just what local government needs to focus on.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

You do

You do realise rapists can already enter toilets, of the male or female variety, don't you?

I’m guessing this was a partial reference to the Scottish case where a man who said he identified as a woman was sent to a women's prison and committed rape. Without wanting to take sides (as it's complicated), there is understandable concern about men insisting they be allowed into women’s safe spaces like refuges, toilets, prisons etc. It’s no good attributing objections to transphobia which is the response of some. It’s legitimate to discuss rationally and unemotionally.

 

[ClemFandango]

Indeed. Absolute ignorant horse shit written about gender and biological sex. Has he just arrived here from the 1970s?

There were, are and always will be two biological sexes. Please do ban me if stating facts is offensive to you

 

[pb21]

I’m guessing this was a partial reference to the Scottish case where a man who said he identified as a woman was sent to a women's prison and committed rape. Without wanting to take sides (as it's complicated), there is understandable concern about men insisting they be allowed into women’s safe spaces like refuges, toilets, prisons etc. It’s no good attributing objections to transphobia which is the response of some. It’s legitimate to discuss rationally and unemotionally.

They weren't talking about prisons, they were talking about toilets, which rapists can currently enter, no prison guards, or similar on the entrances. That's a very rational point.

 

[Machiavelli]

There were, are and always will be two biological sexes. Please do ban me if stating facts is offensive to you

Hermaphrodites have escaped the attention of our new poster ClemFandango. That's a fact. I trust you won't deem that offensive. You could even absorb it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Hermaphrodites have escaped the attention of our new poster ClemFandango. That's a fact. I trust you won't deem that offensive. You could even absorb it.

A join date of 2 months ago ?

Round and round and round we go, the same old loons, trolls and sad gits, desperately joining NSC time and again and again and again, in a pathetic attempt to shout stupid things into the Internet

It's time like this that I, a mere poster on here, appreciate how hard the administrators, mods etc work to keep NSC what it is

 

[Gwylan]

Couldn't your description of Tom Gray and Eddie Izzard as 'two activists, driven by single issue politics' also be applied to Sian Berry and Tom Gray?

Talking of Sian Berry. I bumped into Caroline Lucas and her at the weekend. The Blessed Caroline was pointing out places of interest in North Laine as SB gets up to speed with the constituency she's hoping to represent.

 

[Eeyore]

Talking of Sian Berry. I bumped into Caroline Lucas and her at the weekend. The Blessed Caroline was pointing out places of interest in North Laine as SB gets up to speed with the constituency she's hoping to represent.

You should look where you are going.

 

[Gwylan]

You should look where you are going.

She was coming in a door as I was going out - these things can happen.

 

[ClemFandango]

A recent member and this is just your 20th post. I predict a permanent ban within

A recent member and this is just your 20th post. I predict a permanent ban within 2 months.

Why, because I disagree with your woke worldview? I think your gender views are pretty offensive but you’re entitled to hold them. I certainly don’t think you should be banned because of them

 

[Weststander]

They weren't talking about prisons, they were talking about toilets, which rapists can currently enter, no prison guards, or similar on the entrances. That's a very rational point.

Women have spoken, generally they don’t want a free for all of those claiming to have identified as a woman entering female toilets. Covered in depth on R4’s (unsurprising) Woman’s Hour, for example.

The only solution I can see is shared gender neutral loos (each an individual room).

 

[WATFORD zero]

Talking of Sian Berry. I bumped into Caroline Lucas and her at the weekend. The Blessed Caroline was pointing out places of interest in North Laine as SB gets up to speed with the constituency she's hoping to represent.

But all she's done to deserve that, and probably rightly, is been honest and straight about what she believes in. A sad reflection on where we are politically

 

[Colonel Mustard]

They weren't talking about prisons, they were talking about toilets, which rapists can currently enter, no prison guards, or similar on the entrances. That's a very rational point.

Sure, but without wanting to speak for the poster in question, I presume they meant legitimately enter. The Scottish rapist legitimately entered the women’s prison under existing Scottish legislation. Of course a man could muscle his way into a woman’s toilet or refuge. Or into a women’s prison for that matter if he was sufficiently resourceful, or drunk.

 

[Weststander]

But all she's done to deserve that, and probably rightly, is been honest and straight about what she believes in. A sad reflection on where we are politically

A good MP and she gives a wider platform to a party with an important alternative message, what’s not to like?