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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,134
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy,as well?How about just a tiny smidgen of back-up for your belief?:lol:

It's been well reported for months the pros and cons and practicalities of rejoining EFTA, such as the possibility of Norway vetoing it - I'm sure you're capable of Googling it if you're interested.
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
It's been well reported for months the pros and cons and practicalities of rejoining EFTA, such as the possibility of Norway vetoing it - I'm sure you're capable of Googling it if you're interested.

Really.If I was interested, I already would have done!Google search-'load of bolox'-2 billion results-EFTA don't want UK re-joining-0 results.:D
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,134
Rape of Hastings, Sussex


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,400
Gods country fortnightly


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,940
There's been an EU one taking shape for a while. I had this sent to me earlier by a Latvian friend living here who said it totally summed up her sentiments to the 'offer' this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/29/brexodus-eu-nationals-citizenship-uk-brexit

yeah, thats a load of bollocks. they dont become second class citizens, they retain all the existing rights with one small consession that they have to apply/register to show they were here before the deadline. oh no they lose the protection of the european courts... like our courts are something terrible? very wealthy people come here just to access our judicial system, so i dont think serious thinking people will worry too much. fear of having rights revoked after brexit is to ignore hundreds of years of precedence, though i can understand the fear of state from so many europeans from their own nations histories, which their countrymen often came here to escape pre-EU.
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,134
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
yeah, thats a load of bollocks. they dont become second class citizens, they retain all the existing rights with one small consession that they have to apply/register to show they were here before the deadline. oh no they lose the protection of the european courts... like our courts are something terrible? very wealthy people come here just to access our judicial system, so i dont think serious thinking people will worry too much. fear of having rights revoked after brexit is to ignore hundreds of years of precedence, though i can understand the fear of state from so many europeans from their own nations histories, which their countrymen often came here to escape pre-EU.

Tell EU citizens all that, I'm sure they'll be fascinated to hear your patriotic, patronising insight.
 




nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,400
Gods country fortnightly
Tell EU citizens all that, I'm sure they'll be fascinated to hear your patriotic, patronising insight.

Shouldn't forget 1.2m of our own that have made of life for themselves in the EU. I have friends in France and Brexit has descended lives into huge uncertainty after buying a farm there only 2 years ago
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,134
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Shouldn't forget 1.2m of our own that have made of life for themselves in the EU. I have friends in France and Brexit has descended lives into huge uncertainty after buying a farm there only 2 years ago

We've got family friends down near Pau in the same situation.
 


The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,591
Shouldn't forget 1.2m of our own that have made of life for themselves in the EU. I have friends in France and Brexit has descended lives into huge uncertainty after buying a farm there only 2 years ago

Well we all suffer if we make bad decisions. Bearing in mind the angst over the EU at the time well, perhaps they should have rented it first and then bought after the fall out. Terrible for all though isn't it?
 


Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
It's been well reported for months the pros and cons and practicalities of rejoining EFTA, such as the possibility of Norway vetoing it - I'm sure you're capable of Googling it if you're interested.

Do not understimate the lack of interest or inability of Two Professors.
 




studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
30,178
On the Border
yeah, thats a load of bollocks. they dont become second class citizens, they retain all the existing rights with one small consession that they have to apply/register to show they were here before the deadline. oh no they lose the protection of the european courts... like our courts are something terrible? very wealthy people come here just to access our judicial system, so i dont think serious thinking people will worry too much. fear of having rights revoked after brexit is to ignore hundreds of years of precedence, though i can understand the fear of state from so many europeans from their own nations histories, which their countrymen often came here to escape pre-EU.

Revoking of Human Rights, and you're not worried. Strange
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,381
The Fatherland
Well we all suffer if we make bad decisions. Bearing in mind the angst over the EU at the time well, perhaps they should have rented it first and then bought after the fall out. Terrible for all though isn't it?

What an incentive **** you are.
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,381
The Fatherland
yeah, thats a load of bollocks. they dont become second class citizens, they retain all the existing rights with one small consession that they have to apply/register to show they were here before the deadline. oh no they lose the protection of the european courts... like our courts are something terrible? very wealthy people come here just to access our judicial system, so i dont think serious thinking people will worry too much. fear of having rights revoked after brexit is to ignore hundreds of years of precedence, though i can understand the fear of state from so many europeans from their own nations histories, which their countrymen often came here to escape pre-EU.

I don't think it's the courts which are the issue. It's more the government. May has also shown zero ability to stick to her words and has shown she is willing to use human lives as bargaining chips to further her aims. I wouldn't trust her grubby little government more than I could throw it. EU citizens should therefore have their rights enshrined outside of the U.K..
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,940
I don't think it's the courts which are the issue. It's more the government. May has also shown zero ability to stick to her words and has shown she is willing to use human lives as bargaining chips to further her aims. I wouldn't trust her grubby little government more than I could throw it. EU citizens should therefore have their rights enshrined outside of the U.K..

the courts are implicit in discussing rights and equality in law. i trust our courts to uphold rights and law, holding the government to account (see HMG v Miller) and we do not have a history of repealing rights.

this bargaining chip rhetoric isnt helpful, EU insisted nothing could be pre-agreed, then came in with a demand that EU citizens be protected by EU courts in the UK. like they'd try that on any other country, it doesnt even stand up in basic international law, attempting to undermine our sovereignty. they knew it wouldnt, couldnt be accepted but has done its job of making us look unreasonable to those that want that impression. the offer from us is basically the same as present (right to permanent residence after 5 years), with a necessary step of registering for residency (we have no other mechanism unlike other countries, we're free to come and go and move at will) and a cock up on the bureaucracy front. this is presented as deplorable, an unfair arrangement, apparently because other european countries rules on citizenship or the children learning english.
 
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nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,400
Gods country fortnightly
Well we all suffer if we make bad decisions. Bearing in mind the angst over the EU at the time well, perhaps they should have rented it first and then bought after the fall out. Terrible for all though isn't it?

At least they bought before our currency collapsed because of Brexit
 


Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
What reports are these? The Tories are hoping they can avoid an election and can hang on till 2022.

Well the Conservative Party is currently advertising for campaign managers, something it doesn't usually do until a few months, or at most a couple of years, before an election. If it thinks it can win (perhaps profiting from the 'new manager syndrome') then it will go for it sooner rather than later.
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Well the Conservative Party is currently advertising for campaign managers, something it doesn't usually do until a few months, or at most a couple of years, before an election. If it thinks it can win (perhaps profiting from the 'new manager syndrome') then it will go for it sooner rather than later.

Sign they are looking to call an early election or that they are no longer in control of events? DUP withdraw their support or a few Tory MP's decide to rebel and they're in trouble so they have to be prepared for an election. After thinking they would win with a 20% poll lead I doubt they would risk another go even if they did get a minor uplift from a new leader (they are currently behind in the polls).

I think they are looking to stabilse and hang on in there for as long as possible.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Do not understimate the lack of interest or inability of Two Professors.

Says the Creature from the Black Lagoon (Crawley):lolol:.Has your Jezza tattoo started itching yet?
 


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