[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

Why's that then? They have apologised re Hillsborough and admitted they were wrong, haven't they?

You didn't mention Hillsborough.Just a blanket accusation.

 

[Baldseagull]

Were you there?Were family members involved?If not,why are you intruding on other people's grief?

Wow.

 

[Notters]

Were you there?Were family members involved?If not,why are you intruding on other people's grief?

Surely anyone who knew about the tragedy was upset by it, why should only family members be upset? "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist..." How am I intruding on their grief? I do have some family connections to Liverpool and Liverpool FC (not that this is remotely relevant).

You didn't mention Hillsborough.Just a blanket accusation.

That's like saying it's wrong to say Hitler did bad things without being specific about a particular atrocity.

 

[GT49er]

Were you there?Were family members involved?If not,why are you intruding on other people's grief?

Geez! Plonk post of the year. Hang your head in shame, and take a treble thumbsdown.

 

[El Presidente]

Are you a City journalist?If so,you would surely know of the share price annual competition.If not then you're writing rubbish.As for the stories,all journos make up whatever they think they can get away with.Just like politicians and economists.Are you still castigating Eden for the Suez crisis?It's history,and once the compensation is paid,most normal people forget about it.

Wow. So it's okay to hack the phones of dead children provided that you pay compensation? Great to know that money means more to you than morality.

 

[alfredmizen]

They were not always one country, and there is as much cultural similarity across the EU as there is across the US, language difference is the issue here.
I like your idea of having a unified economy and political system for Europe though.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel doesn't even begin to describe this post .

 

[alfredmizen]

I don't work for anybody-very happily retired.But if I was employed by the Sun,I'd be very happy working for a good employer who are the best in the business .Circulation figures don't lie!

At what ? Hacking dead teenagers phones ?

 

[LlcoolJ]

For far too long now there have been a minority of people who loathe the Sun because it's the fashionable thing for impressionable people to do.They have probably never read it,but constantly spit their bile,without any good reason I've ever heard.Even the financial community on here have to admit it's City pages have consistently out-predicted the 'experts' of the FT etc.I know the teaching profession don't like it,but if they were better at their jobs,they wouldn't get so much coverage!

Absolutely everything you've written on this thread is ill informed nonsense. But this defence of The Sun in your last few posts is a new low, even for you. You have the least fitting user name I've ever seen.

 

[alfredmizen]

Workers rights are a major reason for those that put efforts in to persuading you to vote leave, in my opinion.

The parallels with the American situation are, those that do quite nicely thank you, would like to keep on doing so, without any interference from a larger body telling them they have to treat people more fairly, at the cost of profits.

The line we get fed is that the EU has pushed through a number of laws that we opposed and that we are being ridden roughshod over.
The truth is that a good number of those laws we opposed gave greater rights to workers, protected the health of citizens or protected the environment, but all cut profits for business. This is half the reason that during the campaign Cameron could not be telling you all the good the EU has done for citizens, because he would be back in Brussels the following month, arguing against the repeal of an opt out of the working time directive.

Farage does not give two hoots about the numbers of refugees we give asylum to, but he knows if he puts a picture of a long line of Syrian refugees and the words breaking point up, he will get a good number of people to shit a brick that we are about to be over run with muslims[/SIZE], unless we vote leave.
Boris does not give two hoots for the level of NHS funding, but he knows if he tells us that we can throw £350million more at it if we come out, he will con a good number of people into voting leave.

Farage knows we will take in no more or less Syrians, Boris knows we will not be £350M a week better off, and if we were, knows the NHS will see little if any increase in its budget. They give us reasons that they think we will go for, that does not make it their reasons.

Turkish ones ?

 

[Baldseagull]

Turkish ones ?

He used Syrians in the poster, but yeah, Turkish were referred to. Sounds like you bought in.

 

[Baldseagull]

Scraping the bottom of the barrel doesn't even begin to describe this post .

You are right, it doesn't, but please feel free to describe it.

 

[alfredmizen]

He used Syrians in the poster, but yeah, Turkish were referred to. Sounds like you bought in.

Until the recent coup and crackdown by Erdogan it was a dot on the cards that Turkey was going to join, if the vote had been after recent events I may have voted differently.

 

[pastafarian]

I totally agree with this and here lies a problem for me with the vote, I just can't understand how the Brexit voters didn't feel conned or see through this.

its hard to feel conned by a bus logo which in essence was a trivial factor when compared to far more serious issues.
The more dedicated post brexit moaners will try and elevate this bus logo issue to that of immense importance,when it really isnt.
Perhaps if the remain campaign had argued their case better and concentrated more on these important matters such as democracy, sovereignty, security and immigration rather than getting their knickers in a twist and constantly banging on about a bus logo instead,things might have been slightly different. But they didnt,so here we are.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Until the recent coup and crackdown by Erdogan it was a dot on the cards that Turkey was going to join, if the vote had been after recent events I may have voted differently.

If I'd thought that Turkey had a snowball's chance in hell of joining the EU without massive reform of the country (not going to happen) then I might have voted differently.

Was never going to happen and is even less likely (if you can have less than never) now as you say. I'm surprised anyone believed that they were about to be allowed to join when all the facts said the opposite.

 

[alfredmizen]

If I'd thought that Turkey had a snowball's chance in hell of joining the EU without massive reform of the country (not going to happen) then I might have voted differently.

Was never going to happen and is even less likely (if you can have less than never) now as you say. I'm surprised anyone believed that they were about to be allowed to join when all the facts said the opposite.

I'm abroad and my wifi is shit , so it would take too long to answer this and provide proper links , but I took all the "facts" with a pinch of salt and preferred to listen to the rhetoric from politicians which went against what the "facts" told you. The "facts" told us Greece shouldn't have had a cat in hells chance of joining the Euro , the goalposts were moved by Germany when their debt to GDP ratio meant they would have been fined for breaking the stability pact that everyone signed up to who joined the Euro (it was originally meant to keep the club med countries in line) so the "facts" and "rules" have never really meant much when core EU countries want something their way.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

How's it all going over here? Ah not much has changed, I'll check back in another month

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[portslade seagull]

How's it all going over here? Ah not much has changed, I'll check back in another month

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Same old , same old. It's like a bad divorce keep going over old things when there is nothing you can do about it

 

[Baldseagull]

Until the recent coup and crackdown by Erdogan it was a dot on the cards that Turkey was going to join, if the vote had been after recent events I may have voted differently.

Turkey joining was a long way off, even without recent events, it would require all existing members to agree to it for one thing, including Greece and Cyprus.

 

[Soulman]

Remain campaigners made a ‘terrible mistake’ by refusing to engage with the debate on immigration during the EU referendum, a former minister has said.

Anna Soubry, a passionate member of the In team, said her side was guilty of sweeping aside concerns about migration while playing up fears about the economy.

The former business minister said: ‘Remain refused to engage on immigration; that was a terrible, terrible mistake.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-playing-worries-economy.html#ixzz4GjFORXm0

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Remain campaigners made a ‘terrible mistake’ by refusing to engage with the debate on immigration during the EU referendum, a former minister has said.

Anna Soubry, a passionate member of the In team, said her side was guilty of sweeping aside concerns about migration while playing up fears about the economy.

The former business minister said: ‘Remain refused to engage on immigration; that was a terrible, terrible mistake.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-playing-worries-economy.html#ixzz4GjFORXm0

just buried there heads in the sand like a lot of the fools on here
regards
DR