[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Not really an excuse, you should be checking, they change all the time.

If he was that excited to see his son you would have thought he would have checked everything was in order?

It's been well advertised to check and would have been advised to check when booking !

It was six months.

I've just looked up the Post Office website.

Can you travel with a soon to expire passport? | Post Office®

Make sure you’re not turned away at security because your passport is about to expire with our guide to travelling with a soon to expire passport

www.postoffice.co.uk

Eurotunnel also says six months.

Pre-travel requirements – LeShuttle

These checks will entail gathering information on the identity of every person leaving the country, at their point of departure. In order to comply with this new legislation and to speed up your journey through our Folkestone terminal we will be asking you to provide us with your passport or...

www.eurotunnel.com

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Alistair Campbell’s performance on Newsnight just now against the looney Brexiteer was very funny!

He then when on a rant about the presenter and the BBC not challenging Brexit dogma. I think he has a point.

The delightful looney Brexiteer, Alex Phillips, who lied about working for Cambridge Analytica, and then admitted it working in Kenya in their election. She joined UKIP, was an MEP, then the Brexit Party, and is now Reform. A female Farage.

 

[Eric the meek]

I didn't add the tweet, but you are quite right it is a woman, lucky enough it's a message board and not as important as getting into another country

If only you had left it at your initial reply to @Guinness Boy (about not checking stuff), nobody would have spotted that you hadn't actually read the article !

 

[A1X]

Brilliant article. And very saddening. He’s right, the U.K. is in serious decline and nothing seems able to stop that now.

It's ironic how so many supposed "patiots" have ended up voting to harm the nation they claim to love

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

easyJet staff refused to allow her to board a flight to Paris to see her son, who is studying there, because her UK passport had been issued 10 years and one day previously.

It was six months.

I've just looked up the Post Office website.

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From that link:

other countries such as China, Thailand, Egypt and Turkey need at least six months. Always check the specific entry requirements for the country you are visiting on the GOV.UK website. You should make sure that your passport meets the following rules:

• The passport issue date is less than 10 years before day of arrival in the EU

It was six months.

I've just looked up the Post Office website.

Can you travel with a soon to expire passport? | Post Office®

Make sure you’re not turned away at security because your passport is about to expire with our guide to travelling with a soon to expire passport

www.postoffice.co.uk

Eurotunnel also says six months.

Pre-travel requirements – LeShuttle

These checks will entail gathering information on the identity of every person leaving the country, at their point of departure. In order to comply with this new legislation and to speed up your journey through our Folkestone terminal we will be asking you to provide us with your passport or...

www.eurotunnel.com

UK passport holders - If you are travelling from the UK to the EU, the UK government recommend you have 6 months left on your passport, the minimum 3 months validity required from the date that you return plus up to 90 days to travel without a visa. Even if it has more than 6 months left, your passport must be less than 10 years old. Full requirements can be found on gov.uk.


Must be less than 10 years old

 

[The Clamp]

Am I wrong is thinking a passport only last 10 years?

What is the drama in a passport that is over ten years being rejected? Surely it has expired?

What am I missing?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

easyJet staff refused to allow her to board a flight to Paris to see her son, who is studying there, because her UK passport had been issued 10 years and one day previously.




From that link:

other countries such as China, Thailand, Egypt and Turkey need at least six months. Always check the specific entry requirements for the country you are visiting on the GOV.UK website. You should make sure that your passport meets the following rules:

• The passport issue date is less than 10 years before day of arrival in the EU

UK passport holders - If you are travelling from the UK to the EU, the UK government recommend you have 6 months left on your passport, the minimum 3 months validity required from the date that you return plus up to 90 days to travel without a visa. Even if it has more than 6 months left, your passport must be less than 10 years old. Full requirements can be found on gov.uk.


Must be less than 10 years old

So why did @Guinness Boy mention 8 months on post 126,077?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Am I wrong is thinking a passport only last 10 years?

What is the drama in a passport that is over ten years being rejected? Surely it has expired?

What am I missing?

You get months added on from previous passport if renewed early.

Quite a few places don't accept it still.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If only you had left it at your initial reply to @Guinness Boy (about not checking stuff), nobody would have spotted that you hadn't actually read the article !

If only you hadn't claimed I posted the original tweet nobody would have spotted you hadn't actually read the thread!

 

[Eric the meek]

If only you hadn't claimed I posted the original tweet nobody would have spotted you hadn't actually read the thread!

Good reply !

The punchline is, I did read the thread, but still managed to get it wrong anyway !

P.S. My passport is invalid on two counts - issue date and expiry date. As it has already expired, I guess it is also invalid on a third count in that I don't have 6 months remaining on it either.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If most assumed, the airport would be full of people in the same situation, they are not.

The reason the airports are not full of people in the same situation is because the issue only affects the passport for a slither of a time window, and then only for people who renewed their passport early.

If someone has been routinely travelling between the UK and and EU I can understand why they might overlook this.

 

[WATFORD zero]

But looking on the bright side, at least destroying the British fishing industry won't effect the price of Cod and chi..... Oh

 

[Guy Fawkes]

No, these are the import controls (remember 'Taking Back Control' ?) which were supposed to be put in place when we left, have now been pushed back 4 times because of the impact on Food inflation and food availability. The ones that Jacob Rees-Mogg has since called 'an act of self harm'.

Incidentally, they are also the ones which had the announcement last month of a further £1 Billion to be spent on infrastructure and systems before they can be implemented.

Britain has set out plans to simplify and speed up post-Brexit border checks after repeated delays that the government previously blamed on the COVID-19 pandemic and then the war in Ukraine. The new model announced on Wednesday will be backed by more than 1 billion pounds ($1.25 billion) in spending

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/po...g-into-uk-be-streamlined-sky-news-2023-04-05/

But you keep your fingers in your ears and keep claiming 'project fear' is causing all these problems, it's worked a treat so far as people sink into the total and utter clusterf*** the British economy has predictably become. Maybe people just need to be more positive

Isn't this warning coming from these food chiefs an bit like:

The warning by the head of the bank of England issued in November last year, where they said:

The Bank of England has warned the UK is facing its longest recession since records began

Bank of England expects UK to fall into longest ever recession

The Bank of England raises interest rates to 3%, marking the biggest rise for 33 years.

www.bbc.co.uk

How about the Head of the IMF saying back in January that the UK will be in recession?

UK to Be the Only G-7 Economy in Recession This Year, IMF Says

Britain faces the bleakest two years of any major industrial nation with a recession in 2023 and the slowest growth of peers in 2024, the International Monetary Fund predicts.

www.bloomberg.com

However you dress it up it's still only an opinion and maybe, should no action be taken (ie no work put into things like contingency planning, or time and or money being spent to try to identify potential hold ups and find solutions to ensure business as usual (such as the Government trying to find ways to speed up import / export checks, through to individual retailers finding portential solutions such as buying in extra stock and holding it in the UK, ready to distribute should imports slow, etc...) then the food chiefs predictions may actually end up happening to some extent, but there people out there whose roles are to plan for, and try to prevent these kind of scenarios from playing out, helping to avoid any such crisis (roles such as supermarket buyers, etc) so these sorts of predictions don't become a reality and that we aren't left with these potential food shortages and empty shelves

 

[HeaviestTed]

It frustrates me beyond belief that passports were originally created to allow people safe travel around the world, now they are used to hem people in.

I hate that global society is so intent on creating artificial barriers instead of letting people go where they want and identify as belonging to wherever they are.

There is no need for any of it.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The reason the airports are not full of people in the same situation is because the issue only affects the passport for a slither of a time window, and then only for people who renewed their passport early.

If someone has been routinely travelling between the UK and and EU I can understand why they might overlook this.

At the time we officially left there was just over a million people in/approaching the dead zone, which was 2021?

Plus the numbers that would have reached the 10 year mark after that.

It's not a tiny amount of people, would certainly be a larger issue if it was the majority.

I agree, people might over look it - but it's not anyone else's fault for doing so, it takes 30 seconds to check The FCDO/other websites.

All this doesn't change from Brexit being a terrible idea.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Isn't this warning coming from these food chiefs an bit like:

The warning by the head of the bank of England issued in November last year, where they said:

Bank of England expects UK to fall into longest ever recession

The Bank of England raises interest rates to 3%, marking the biggest rise for 33 years.

www.bbc.co.uk

How about the Head of the IMF saying back in January that the UK will be in recession?

UK to Be the Only G-7 Economy in Recession This Year, IMF Says

Britain faces the bleakest two years of any major industrial nation with a recession in 2023 and the slowest growth of peers in 2024, the International Monetary Fund predicts.

www.bloomberg.com

However you dress it up it's still only an opinion and maybe, should no action be taken (ie no work put into things like contingency planning, or time and or money being spent to try to identify potential hold ups and find solutions to ensure business as usual (such as the Government trying to find ways to speed up import / export checks, through to individual retailers finding portential solutions such as buying in extra stock and holding it in the UK, ready to distribute should imports slow, etc...) then the food chiefs predictions may actually end up happening to some extent, but there people out there whose roles are to plan for, and try to prevent these kind of scenarios from playing out, helping to avoid any such crisis (roles such as supermarket buyers, etc) so these sorts of predictions don't become a reality and that we aren't left with these potential food shortages and empty shelves

However you dress it up it's still only an opinion and maybe, should no action be taken (ie no work put into things like contingency planning, or time and or money being spent to try to identify potential hold ups and find solutions to ensure business as usual (such as the Government trying to find ways to speed up import / export checks, through to individual retailers finding portential solutions such as buying in extra stock and holding it in the UK, ready to distribute should imports slow, etc...)

You seem a little confused, you are aware this is Imports we are talking about, export checks are not our government's responsibility and the EU introduced the export checks nearly 3 years before the UK is 'currently planning' to reciprocate

So you are of the opinion that when the Government finally get round to introducing Import controls on food from the EU, (after delaying it four times already because of the negative impact), that it will not effect the cost or availability of those goods if the right plans are in place. And this opinion is despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary from when the EU introduced the reciprocal rules for British exports the day after 'The Transition Period' ended 2.5 years ago and the associated impact on British exporters since then

And obviously this opinion is reinforced by the marvellous job this Government has made with all it's other preparations for Brexit

You put together such a well informed, detailed case dealing with the actual issues of the impending Import controls, rather than indulging in pointless whataboutery, that I'm beginning to think that maybe you are really a brilliant political satirist

 

[Eric the meek]

Isn't this warning coming from these food chiefs an bit like:

The warning by the head of the bank of England issued in November last year, where they said:

Bank of England expects UK to fall into longest ever recession

The Bank of England raises interest rates to 3%, marking the biggest rise for 33 years.

www.bbc.co.uk

No, it isn't.

If you were to read the article you linked to, you would have seen this:

'Bank boss Andrew Bailey warned of a "tough road ahead" for UK households, but said it had to act forcefully now or things "will be worse later on".
That was when it raised interest rates to 3%. But those interest rates are now 4.5%. In other words, the BoE is doing what it said it would do, to avoid worse later on.
The BoE has averted the recession that would have happened, had it not acted forcefully. For this, you criticise the BoE for 'getting its prediction wrong'.

But do you see another problem with your argument?

You are claiming that because you (wrongly) believe the BoE made a mistake in its prediction of the UK going into recession, the prediction of food shortages by food sector chiefs, should therefore be dismissed. Have you ever come across the term 'non sequitur'?

Your argument is that all predictions that may be construed as critical of Brexit, should be dismissed out of hand. All of them.

That's project fear for you. It did the millions who voted leave, a profound disservice.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The architects of Brexit now blaming one another for the fact it's a complete and total disaster on every front. You really couldn't make it up

Downing Street rejects Farage’s ‘Brexit has failed’ claim​

Downing Street has denied an accusation from former Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage that Britain’s European Union exit “has failed”. Mr Farage accused the Conservative Government of mismanaging Brexit since the UK left the bloc in 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...treet-rishi-sunak-uk-government-b2339809.html

Except for the fact that these are the people who did 'make it up' and millions fell for it hook, line and sinker, voting for it and then voting for anyone who claimed they could actually implement it despite all evidence to the contrary.

Those same people now can't understand how Britain has managed to get itself into this current economic, infrastructural and services clusterf*** with absolutely no hope of any way out for another 18 months

I just hope people took my advice when it became clear what Johnson and this current cabal were going to do once elected on their 'Get Brexit done' ticket.

I think you are seriously under-estimating the cult that is Boris Johnson.

I believe we are already set for decades of struggle as a nation, but it isn't going to stop for a good while yet, whilst he has this 'spell' over his target audience. I'm afraid that personally, I thought quite a long time back that the best we can do is batten down the hatches, protect what you've got and try and take the position of bemused bystander.

 

[Lever]

The architects of Brexit now blaming one another for the fact it's a complete and total disaster on every front. You really couldn't make it up

Downing Street rejects Farage’s ‘Brexit has failed’ claim​

Downing Street has denied an accusation from former Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage that Britain’s European Union exit “has failed”. Mr Farage accused the Conservative Government of mismanaging Brexit since the UK left the bloc in 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...treet-rishi-sunak-uk-government-b2339809.html

Except for the fact that these are the people who did 'make it up' and millions fell for it hook, line and sinker, voting for it and then voting for anyone who claimed they could actually implement it despite all evidence to the contrary.

Those same people now can't understand how Britain has managed to get itself into this current economic, infrastructural and services clusterf*** with absolutely no hope of any way out for another 18 months

I just hope people took my advice when it became clear what Johnson and this current cabal were going to do once elected on their 'Get Brexit done' ticket.

Interesting that the queen of weak irony continues to give the thumbs up to your comments. Obviously the whole process has failed to alter his/her robustly insentient sensibilities..... and no doubt other terminally Brexit lovers will do the same thing for the same reason....

 

[WATFORD zero]

Interesting that the queen of weak irony continues to give the thumbs up to your comments. Obviously the whole process has failed to alter his/her robustly insentient sensibilities.....

Well I think sadly that with people struggling to pay their bills, feed themselves and trying to keep themselves out of debt, we've gone way beyond the point where a 'funny one liner' would appear anything other than totally moronic

And I bet my case will be proven within 30 seconds