[Politics] Brexit

[Eeyore]

That's also my fave. Hague was a consummate parliamentary performer, shame he didn't quite have the all-round game to make a successful leader.

Hague always presented an argument against the power of the EU is a way that was very engaging and thought provoking.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Is that party still going

I knew one once, he couldn't make up his mind on anything, you would offer him a Chocolate hobnob or a plain one, after 5 mins of dithering he had no choice as all the chocolate ones had gone.

Ever since I can only visualise them as plain ditherers.

Will these near-extinct species ever survive this modern world.

I hope not , they live in some form of Utopia far away from reality , their ideals have been consigned to the rubbish bin time and time again
Regards
DF

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Ah, I wondered what topic you lot would choose to replace your no-deal hysteria addiction.

Obviously, when we diverge from their regulatory standards or enact state aid they don't like they will shut down our power (a hostile act) or ground flights thus crippling Spain, Greece and others tourism industry over a few fish

They will never stop. Life is too short for this 24/7 moaning.

 

[vegster]

Always felt he would have been in the top job from his time as, I think, Welsh secretary.

It all happened too early for him.

I think that looking and sounding like one of Thatcher's spermatozoa didn't help him.

 

[nicko31]

Well finally we're fully out tonight bring to the end of the four and a half year domestic tantrum over a faux enemy that never existed

It will be interesting to see if Brexit brings any benefits at all in 2021 and whether the Vote Leave government produce anything tangible to celebrate. I'm not holding my breath...

Sadly, this whole clusterf**k ain't over. I see a full blown constitutional crisis over the future of Scotland after their elections, the mandate is likely be clear for Indyref2.

Johnson's cavalier act of a customs border in the Irish sea within the UK could well be his ultimate legacy.

Enjoy NYE everyone, actually got some English sparkling chilling. It ain't bad...

 

[vegster]

Well finally we're fully out tonight bring to the end of the four and a half year domestic tantrum over a faux enemy that never existed

It will be interesting to see if Brexit brings any benefits at all in 2021 and whether the Vote Leave government produce anything tangible to celebrate. I'm not holding my breath...

Sadly, this whole clusterf**k ain't over. I see a full blown constitutional crisis over the future of Scotland after their elections, the mandate is likely be clear for Indyref2.

Johnson's cavalier act of a customs border in the Irish sea within the UK could well be his ultimate legacy.

Enjoy NYE everyone, actually got some English sparkling chilling. It ain't bad...

I think the the future of Northern Ireland is to leave the Union fairly quickly too. They have been shafted by Johnson over the customs agreement with the EU, and with Eire looking a positive partner to trade with and the offer from them to fund an Erasmus scheme for youngsters from NI, many will see which way their toast is buttered.

I genuinely think there will be a united Ireland in my lifetime, and an independent Scotland too, and I can't say I blame them, it's going to be difficult for this Tory government to arrogantly expect different forms of Sovereignty from Europe and the home nations. .

 

[nicko31]

I think the the future of Northern Ireland is to leave the Union fairly quickly too. They have been shafted by Johnson over the customs agreement with the EU, and with Eire looking a positive partner to trade with and the offer from them to fund an Erasmus scheme for youngsters from NI, many will see which way their toast is buttered.

I genuinely think there will be a united Ireland in my lifetime, and an independent Scotland too, and I can't say I blame them, it's going to be difficult for this Tory government to arrogantly expect different forms of Sovereignty from Europe and the home nations. .

Donald Tusk did say that Brexit would be the real end of British Empire, he could well end up being right...

 

[Chicken Run]

I think the the future of Northern Ireland is to leave the Union fairly quickly too. They have been shafted by Johnson over the customs agreement with the EU, and with Eire looking a positive partner to trade with and the offer from them to fund an Erasmus scheme for youngsters from NI, many will see which way their toast is buttered.

I genuinely think there will be a united Ireland in my lifetime, and an independent Scotland too, and I can't say I blame them, it's going to be difficult for this Tory government to arrogantly expect different forms of Sovereignty from Europe and the home nations. .

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ore-confusion-than-clarity-1.4344768?mode=amp

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

In the spirit of 'moving on' which is pretty much a truism given that history is linear, I provide the following link. There are two reasons:

1. It is a pro-Brexit view from the left. This is unusual and that alone makes it worth a look. As a left leaning Remainer, I'm not convinced by the analysis (which is a bit thin) but he makes some valid points.

2. After suffering (the insufferable) JCFG's taunts for that last 4.5 years about The Guardian, I thought he might finally wake up and read something that he could agree with in what he'll now agree is an excellent publication.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk

 

[nicko31]

In the spirit of 'moving on' which is pretty much a truism given that history is linear, I provide the following link. There are two reasons:

1. It is a pro-Brexit view from the left. This is unusual and that alone makes it worth a look. As a left leaning Remainer, I'm not convinced by the analysis (which is a bit thin) but he makes some valid points.

2. After suffering (the insufferable) JCFG's taunts for that last 4.5 years about The Guardian, I thought he might finally wake up and read something that he could agree with in what he'll now agree is an excellent publication.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk

Since 1973, the manufacturing base has shrivelled, the trade balance has been in permanent deficit, and the north-south divide has widened.

Yeah Larry, I blame the EU for that...

 

[WATFORD zero]

I understand some old mates in the Tech industry are going to be busy next week.

Brexit 'big bang' to trigger tectonic trading rift in Europe

Europe will see its biggest transfer of share trading in more than two decades when stock exchanges open for business in 2021, with Brexit shifting its centre of gravity away from London.While market players hope that years of preparations since Britain voted to leave the European Union means the transition of most euro-denominated assets like shares and derivatives out of the country will be relatively smooth, the long-term impact is unclear.

“This is a big bang event and that is one of the things that the market hasn’t truly understood yet,” Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of London-based share trading platform Aquis Exchange, told Reuters. “This is literally everything moves on a specific day and we have got to pray to God that we don’t have some extraordinary event happen in the market that creates high volumes,” Haynes said.

While the landmark trade deal agreed last week set rules for industries such as fishing and agriculture, it did not cover Britain’s much larger finance sector, meaning automatic access to the EU’s financial markets comes to an end on Dec 31.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-markets-trading/brexit-big-bang-to-trigger-tectonic-trading-rift-in-europe-idUKKBN2930HS

Now I am as partial to a bit of smoked Mackerel as anyone but prioritising it over the UK financial markets when we were negotiating the deal

Not long to wait now to see the Benefits

It appears that what I posted 2 days ago is out of date. We've since backtracked and the situation has got worse in the last few hours

Britain backtracks over Brexit curbs on cross-border swaps trading

Britain’s markets watchdog intervened hours before the country leave’s the European Union’s single market on Thursday with a partial climbdown on curbs that risked disrupting swaps trades worth billions of euros. It means that more swaps trading is likely to leave London for EU-based platforms such as Tradeweb from Monday.

Britain has urged Brussels to grant full two-way market access, known as “equivalence”, for swaps trading but the bloc says it wants information from Britain about its intentions to diverge from EU rules before it can make a decision.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-swaps/britain-backtracks-over-brexit-curbs-on-cross-border-swaps-trading-idUSKBN2950WZ

I wonder whether the EU are still open to letting us have a few more Mackerel. I'm just relieved that we knew what we were voting for

Happy New Year

 

[Chicken Run]

It appears that what I posted 2 days ago is out of date. We've since backtracked and the situation has got worse in the last few hours

Britain backtracks over Brexit curbs on cross-border swaps trading

Britain’s markets watchdog intervened hours before the country leave’s the European Union’s single market on Thursday with a partial climbdown on curbs that risked disrupting swaps trades worth billions of euros. It means that more swaps trading is likely to leave London for EU-based platforms such as Tradeweb from Monday.

Britain has urged Brussels to grant full two-way market access, known as “equivalence”, for swaps trading but the bloc says it wants information from Britain about its intentions to diverge from EU rules before it can make a decision.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-swaps/britain-backtracks-over-brexit-curbs-on-cross-border-swaps-trading-idUSKBN2950WZ

I wonder whether the EU are still open to letting us have a few more Mackerel. I'm just relieved that we knew what we were voting for

Happy New Year

Well on behalf of whogivesa****.com thank you for your update, I’m off to buy more food for my fallout shelter....[emoji6]


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[JC Footy Genius]

In the spirit of 'moving on' which is pretty much a truism given that history is linear, I provide the following link. There are two reasons:

1. It is a pro-Brexit view from the left. This is unusual and that alone makes it worth a look. As a left leaning Remainer, I'm not convinced by the analysis (which is a bit thin) but he makes some valid points.

2. After suffering (the insufferable) JCFG's taunts for that last 4.5 years about The Guardian, I thought he might finally wake up and read something that he could agree with in what he'll now agree is an excellent publication.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk

Congrats for being the first to come out of the bunker GNt ... excellent link! Hopefully, a few of the other teameu regulars will follow your lead soon

Btw that poor chap must be a pariah at Guardian work do's, I bet he hasn't been invited to a dinner party for years.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Congrats for being the first to come out of the bunker GNt ... excellent link! Hopefully, a few of the other teameu regulars will follow your lead soon

Btw that poor chap must be a pariah at Guardian work do's, I bet he hasn't been invited to a dinner party for years.

Behave yourself!

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Fairy and Mouldy trying to communicate with each other today is like listening to a couple of special needs kids in a primary school playground.
Both as thick as pig shit.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Fairy and Mouldy trying to communicate with each other today is like listening to a couple of special needs kids in a primary school playground.
Both as thick as pig shit.

Not the kindest of comments if I may say so? Some of us might have special needs children/grandchildren after all.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well on behalf of whogivesa****.com thank you for your update, I’m off to buy more food for my fallout shelter....[emoji6]


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I was wondering whether I should try and explain it to you but to be honest, I don't think at my age, I have sufficient time left.

But I have to say, that's very honest of you, to come out and admit (albeit rather belatedly) that not only did you have no idea, but couldn't give a f*** what you voted for. I think most people who have read this thread had come to that conclusion long ago, but for you to come to that realisation must be a relief

 

[Randy McNob]

Since 1973, the manufacturing base has shrivelled, the trade balance has been in permanent deficit, and the north-south divide has widened.

Yeah Larry, I blame the EU for that...

Just what I thought but at least they don't have the get out of blaming the EU. The crux of his argument is leaving the EU could be a clean slate and the blue print to usher in socialism, a new dawn and bright future that benefits the people. Good luck with that.

 

[pastafarian]

Ah, I wondered what topic you lot would choose to replace your no-deal hysteria addiction.

Obviously, when we diverge from their regulatory standards or enact state aid they don't like they will shut down our power (a hostile act) or ground flights thus crippling Spain, Greece and others tourism industry over a few fish

It boggles the mind doesn’t it.
Firstly why would you believe some spurious conclusion that someone, probably on twitter, has told you to believe (conclusion being the operative word)
Secondly why would you want to be in a club anyway whose commission would push for such hostile acts of forcing European firms to stop selling us power or ground flights out of spite, remembering flights need to flow in two directions and economies have many vested interests surrounding air travel.
Cant believe a select few on here virtually hero worship this sort of logic.

 

[vegster]

Isn't it lovely that some have the choice that was denied to the many ?

Stanley Johnson applies for French citizenship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55499773