[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

^ Great piece by Ian Dunt, very well reasoned.

So where does this leave us? It looks likely that Parliament will reject May's Deal. MPs will want to amend it, but the EU have said they're not prepared to do that. Even if our Parliament could get amendments through there's not enough time for the EU to agree them and sign them off before 29th March 2019. Labour say they'd want a General Election and then renegotiate with the EU but I can;t see they could do any better than May's Deal because they've already said they want a Customs Union, that would tie us to the EU and May's Deal has been savaged because those ties come at the cost of no representative, rule taking not rule making.

I suspect in the face of rejection by Parliament May would be prepared to accept amendments, but her position would be so weakened it is almost certain the required number of letters of no confidence would get filed, sparking a Tory leadership contest.

After that what happens is anyone's guess. Would the interim Tory leader have the guts to back a People's Vote? Will Labour still stick with Corbyn?

I never thought it would get this messy.

it wont, we will exit on a no deal
regards
DR

 

[Ernest]

it wont, we will exit on a no deal
regards
DR

I think you mean we will not exit on a No Deal and will remain in the EU instead and revoke A50

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I think you mean we will not exit on a No Deal and will remain in the EU instead and revoke A50

you think wrong (again)
regards
DR

 

[Gwylan]

I suspect in the face of rejection by Parliament May would be prepared to accept amendments, but her position would be so weakened it is almost certain the required number of letters of no confidence would get filed, sparking a Tory leadership contest.

It's already been made clear that the motion going before Parliament cannot be amended. It's a simple vote: for or against.

 

[Two Professors]

If she does the counting,it will be 99% to Leave.Or perhaps 239%

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

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If she does the counting,it will be 99% to Leave.Or perhaps 239%

SOME OF THE DELUSSIONISTS ON HERE CLEARLY HAVE HEARING PROBLEMS , here's Dave in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7qZhlrbcB8
regards
DR

 

[CHAPPERS]

Dave's gone.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Dave's gone.

So will the EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rkYJm8d6c

regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
oh dear , times up ?
regards
DR

 

[Ernest]

Looks like the Queen's sword will be busy in the next few days

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[ManOfSussex]

Looks like the Queen's sword will be busy in the next few days

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I see The Deputy Chief Whip has been made a privy councillor today too. What a convenient coincidence with such an important vote coming up for The PM as well.

Despite voting leave it'd be awfully ungrateful, not to mention awkward, of John Hayes to vote against May's deal now.

I just stuck his name into Wikipedia as I'd actually never heard of him before now, and without reading any of it, I think you tell a great deal about him just by reading the contents section.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

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If she does the counting,it will be 99% to Leave.Or perhaps 239%

I think this is first time (and hopefully only time) i completely agree with Abbott. I had no idea this woman could talk sense. Wonders will never cease.

 

[beorhthelm]

I just stuck his name into Wikipedia as I'd actually never heard of him before now, and without reading any of it, I think you tell a great deal about him just by reading the contents section.

leftish economics, right social issue, support safe standing. quite a mix.

 

[ManOfSussex]

There was me thinking John Hayes has been knighted today for being a principled MP of sound character and the timing in relation to the upcoming vote was all just an unfortunate coincidence.

This was all reported in The Sunday Times 6 weeks back.............................

 

[Ernest]

The stupid thing is that it becomes indefensible in an election campaign, pure corruption. Obviously you have to get May to answer the question about it and at the moment she is stuck on whether there will be a Plan B or not

 

[Bold Seagull]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46312909

Cringe worthy radio interview with the prime minister that inspires zero confidence in her. Stuttering mess that can't answer a simple question.

Why can she not be honest and say "its a better deal for the UK to stay in the EU (as she campaigned for), but that is not what the people voted for, and this is the best deal to respect that vote". She is so caught up in trying to sell the deal that she is unable to give an honest answer.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why can she not be honest and say "its a better deal for the UK to stay in the EU (as she campaigned for), but that is not what the people voted for, and this is the best deal to respect that vote". She is so caught up in trying to sell the deal that she is unable to give an honest answer.

Even as a leaver I agree with you. When will politicians, of all hues, finally understand that the main reason they are hated and ridiculed is because they won't answer a direct question ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Why can she not be honest and say "its a better deal for the UK to stay in the EU (as she campaigned for), but that is not what the people voted for, and this is the best deal to respect that vote". She is so caught up in trying to sell the deal that she is unable to give an honest answer.

Exactly ! Everyone knows the deal is worse than what we have.

She needs to be honest about this and say that "nevertheless the only reason to go ahead with it is to obey the 2016 referendum".

Fair enough for that reason, but no need to say the deal is any good.

 

[beorhthelm]

Why can she not be honest and say "its a better deal for the UK to stay in the EU (as she campaigned for), but that is not what the people voted for, and this is the best deal to respect that vote". She is so caught up in trying to sell the deal that she is unable to give an honest answer.

because the moment any politican said something so open, the opposition would pounce and accuse them of u-turn/call them to resign/betraying the electrate etc. the art of politics was giving an answer with something of the truth, enough to be consistent. now its a battle to keep a narrow message, to play the tabloid media while avoiding forensic disection by the grown up media and other politicans.

 

[nicko31]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46312909

Cringe worthy radio interview with the prime minister that inspires zero confidence in her. Stuttering mess that can't answer a simple question.

The sky won't fall in, waffle, waffle.....