[Politics] Brexit

[dingodan]

What a load of claptrap.
This bit is true
all of us have the duty to learn at least some economics and engage in economic debates.

But if people knew enough they wouldn't spout economics is not a science.

What you have posted is that Economics isn't ta science so you canrely more on people basing their judgements on ethics and politics which are totally unscientific?

Very often, the judgments by ordinary citizens may be better than those by professional economists.

This isn't true. The examples are so rare that they cann be named and reasons given for this misnomer.

The economy is too important to be left to professional economists

This shows you don't really know what economics is. Its not about Policy decisions but how to implement them, the politicians made the decisions..

Those weren't my words, they are the words of economist Ha-Joon Chang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-Joon_Chang

 

[Diego Napier]

Rather an elitist, ruthless, prejudiced point to make ...... typical Socialist.

What! Those are adjectives I'd use to describe any tory government!

Nevertheless, the facts and logic must be as unsettling for you as they're chilling for me.

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

i have been firmly in the OUT camp as i am very concerned about the demcratic vacuum created by letting civil serveants and brussels based buraucrats make laws, as well as the fact that Im a racist.

I've now found out that if there is a leave it could effect strawberry picking as most is done by poles and vakians in england, and this could cause a shortage. june is an important month for conserves making, so now i'm more on the fence as higher strawberry prices could effect my profit margins, but dont tell the OB as i dont declare all my sales at the market.

Regards

DR

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I realise that polling voters before a referendum is a rather inexact science but given the following:-

73% of 18-29 year olds want to stay
63% of over 60's want to leave

70% with degree level education want to stay
64% of people achieving an educational maximum of GCSE level want to leave

63% of Times readers want to stay
78% of Daily Mail readers want to leave

67% of employed people want to stay
73% of unemployed people want to leave,

aren't we in danger of hamstringing our future welfare and prosperity through the wishes of a lot of dim, unproductive, old people who won't be around for much longer?

Every country needs it's water carriers......Galacticos we all cannot be..

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Still don't really get how MP's from the same parties have taken sides and said what has been reported over the last few weeks about each other. Think we are being played for pawns in some government playground game

Hallelujah!!! People are starting to cotton on to the con!

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[Diego Napier]

Every country needs it's water carriers......Galacticos we all cannot be..

I couldn't agree more, it's the percentage that's alarming.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I couldn't agree more, it's the percentage that's alarming.

well if the vote is remain it's the same difference..

 

[sir albion]

Noticed they're scaremongering the pensioners now with pensions and bus passes....what a surprise lol

 

[Soulman]

Noticed they're scaremongering the pensioners now with pensions and bus passes....what a surprise lol

Yep, saw that on the news, how low can they go with these threats. Oh, also saw the leaked British Embassy reports on visas for many Turks......denied of course even though it is in black and white.
I just hope the voters are sick of this last weeks insults and scaremongering and threats from the Remain campaign, oh and the threats from the German ministers as well.
I doubt it though.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

How clever of you to notice.

Go on go for the hat trick, you know you want to.

 

[drew]

1) Britain would continue trading with the EU for the very simple reason that it benefits both parties. German car makers certainly won't tolerate vindictive tariffs from the EU, no one in Europe would. But you don't even need trade agreements, look how much trade we do with China and the US. It's cobblers. 2) The EU's secret TTIP plan is a very serious threat to this country. If this is signed, US corporations can and will sue our government for any policy that limits their profit making, including in the NHS and education. I dont see how anyone can support TTIP, and I don't see how anyone can oppose TTIP and want to stay in the EU. We need to Leave. (Kate Hoey, Labour MP)

Firstly, as far as I'm aware, no one in the Remain camp has stated that, following a Brexit, everyone will stop trading with us, including the EU. What we don't know is what tariffs, if any, might be imposed. With regard to TTIP, it is an agreement (well in the process of being negotiated) between two relative equitable economic areas. There are, I believe, elements of it that will allow EU companies access to US markets that they haven't had before. This is not one very large economic power dictating terms to a small one, as it was with China and Switzerland. If we leave, it is almost certain that the terms of TTIP will form the basis of any trade agreement with the US, especially as the US are negotiating a similar agreement with the Pacific rim countries. Furthermore, it is scandalous to claim TTIP affect NHS when this it has clearly been stated this is outside the agreement.

 

[drew]

Yep, saw that on the news, how low can they go with these threats. Oh, also saw the leaked British Embassy reports on visas for many Turks......denied of course even though it is in black and white.
I just hope the voters are sick of this last weeks insults and scaremongering and threats from the Remain campaign, oh and the threats from the German ministers as well.
I doubt it though.

Define 'Many Turks'? From what I have seen on the BBC website, this was merely an idea from one diplomat. Doesn't seem to be any indication from any other party that the idea is being taken up. Still, you report it as if it were fact and is happening, bit like all this talk of Turkey actually joining the EU!!!!

 

[Soulman]

“What has the EU ever done for us?” Not much, according to Monty Python star John Cleese – just threaten us, wreck economies in southern Europe and generally operate without “any trace of democratic accountability”.

Very true John.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Didn't you say the Brexit side glory in Ignorance?

Perhaps those on the 'lowest rungs' including low/semi workers and the unemployed experience first hand the joys of being exposed to mass immigration flooding the jobs market, putting strains on services where they live so have a better grasp of the facts than people telling them everything is fine, keep em coming.

'Flooding the jobs market'? Funny thing is the Brexit side is painting a picture of all these immigrants sitting on their arses claiming benefits!

I worked for a nationwide cleaning and security company, it employed around 7000 people on near to national minimum wage, funny thing is it was almost exclusively migrants calling up asking for work. There were always jobs available but the English born people on benefits didn't seem to be interested!

 

[dingodan]

Define 'Many Turks'? From what I have seen on the BBC website, this was merely an idea from one diplomat. Doesn't seem to be any indication from any other party that the idea is being taken up. Still, you report it as if it were fact and is happening, bit like all this talk of Turkey actually joining the EU!!!!

"My view is clear...I will remain your strongest possible advocate for EU membership..."

- David Cameron speaking in Ankara in 2010.

 

[kevo]

That article is terrible. It's written in a very skewed way by a remainer.

Sent from the boot of Lingard

Eh? It's the findings of a survey by Ipsos Mori, not a journalist's opinions. Yet more ignorance. Perhaps you'd prefer to believe the Daily Express?

 

[Soulman]

"My view is clear...I will remain your strongest possible advocate for EU membership..."

- David Cameron speaking in Ankara in 2010.

I will raise your 2010 report and up it to 2014....

David Cameron has said that he still “very much supports” Turkey joining the European Union, despite his Government's inability to control numbers of EU migrants coming to the UK.

The Prime Minister was quizzed about his support for Turkey’s accession to the EU during a visit to Turkey to meet the country’s Prime Minister and President.

Mr Cameron said he had discussed Turkey’s accession to the EU during talks in Ankara on Tuesday afternoon with Ahmet Davutoglu, the Turkish Prime Minister.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-Turkey-to-join-EU-despite-migrant-fears.html

WAKEY WAKEY............

 

[Half Time Pies]

"My view is clear...I will remain your strongest possible advocate for EU membership..."

- David Cameron speaking in Ankara in 2010.

Cameron has never said that he doesn't want Turkey to join the EU. If they meet the criteria then it could be considered. However a country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc and in 10 years Turkey managed to adopt just one of the 35 policy areas in 'science a research', in most other areas it hasn't even made a start. So for the Brexit campaign to claim that Turkey is imminently about to join the EU is pure fantasy on the same level as the £350 million a day Garbage that they have been peddling. There is also the issue of the unresolved territorial dispute with Cyprus so yes there is a chance that in the distant future Turkey may join the EU but that is so far off its hardly worth worrying about.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

 

[kevo]

It is amusing that source still goes under the title 'Independent'. Going by the level of debate in parliament or listening to MP's/MEP's on TV I would say the public are as informed as most of our democratic representatives.

Unbelievable. It's a survey by Ipsos mori - an independent polling company not the newspaper's opinions. Your reaction is hilarious as you would obviously rather believe what the Sun tells you then the findings of a survey by a reputable research company, whose entire reputation is based on being independent and objective as possible. Unfortunately it's idiots like you who are preventing people from being properly informed about the debate.