[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Reality has caught up with the Tories today, since December they've been trying to forget what they agreed to on the Irish border

Now the meat is on the bones, its bed wetting all round, they need to decide what is more important. A hard Brexit or the Good Friday Agreement?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Have I? I've mentioned my husband's job, and now just mentioned a French and Dutch lady. That isn't many. Forgive me if I don't trust the UK government. They can't even get things straight.

Look at this.

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You have referenced a number of different scenarios affecting your friends/family where you seem to think the UK government is the main problem.

1. No hard border between NI and Ireland
2. No hard border between NI & UK
3. No customs union between UK & EU

Which bit of the above three are you against. Which side is being more inflexible and causing the larger problems theoretically affecting your friends family?

 

[pastafarian]

I'm more concerned about the EU women I know who have lived here for years, marrying British men, had children and will now find themselves not knowing what or who they are. I have two close friends in this situation.

No need for them to remain clueless,point them in the direction of the gov published guidelines and whats been agreed with case studies for extra clarification.
Be a decent friend and dont keep them in the dark any longer.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-...-on-rights-for-eu-citizens-and-their-families
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/example-case-studies-eu-citizens-rights-in-the-uk

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The law sets out the criteria, plain and simple, any transfer of powers. Anyone could ask the courts to rule if they felt a Government had not acted as the law directs it to, ask Gina Miller. And what treaty have we signed up to that has any future power transfer in it? Your paranoid mate.

It's a statement of fact that Government ministers would have decided what qualifies as 'necessary' to trigger a referendum. Yes, it could be challenged but as I previously referenced there are ways the government and the EU could avoid this problem. Treaties are interpreted and re interpreted all the time.

 

[portslade seagull]

No need for them to remain clueless,point them in the direction of the gov published guidelines and whats been agreed with case studies for extra clarification.
Be a decent friend and dont keep them in the dark any longer.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-...-on-rights-for-eu-citizens-and-their-families
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/example-case-studies-eu-citizens-rights-in-the-uk

Rather blame the government it's easier

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No need for them to remain clueless,point them in the direction of the gov published guidelines and whats been agreed with case studies for extra clarification.
Be a decent friend and dont keep them in the dark any longer.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-...-on-rights-for-eu-citizens-and-their-families
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/example-case-studies-eu-citizens-rights-in-the-uk

I didn't say they were clueless!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Reality has caught up with the Tories today, since December they've been trying to forget what they agreed to on the Irish border

Now the meat is on the bones, its bed wetting all round, they need to decide what is more important. A hard Brexit or the Good Friday Agreement?

Said NSC's EU spokesman/bedwetter in chief. Whereas the Truth is what was provisionally agreed was open to interpretation and depended on what happened later in the negotation process.

Quite a shock to see the UK PM standing up for UK interests in parliament today for many who had swallowed the EU narrative

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Mogg lying about Corbyn on C4 news, just about sums up the swivel eyed loonies. On one hand a highly respected former PM in Sir John Major speaking sense to the nation and on the other hand a Tory TOFF lying his head off about the leader of the opposition as he hasn't anything to add to the debate

https://twitter.com/jennifercobbe/status/968930247335972871

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[Thunder Bolt]

You have referenced a number of different scenarios affecting your friends/family where you seem to think the UK government is the main problem.

1. No hard border between NI and Ireland
2. No hard border between NI & UK
3. No customs union between UK & EU

Which bit of the above three are you against. Which side is being more inflexible and causing the larger problems theoretically affecting your friends family?

The Irish problem is a different scenario to my two friends.

My own opinion is that borders are man made. We are all human and should be able to get on with each other. Cooperation always works better than thinking you can go alone.

 

[pastafarian]

I didn't say they were clueless!

Im sorry but actually you did say the women “now find themselves not knowing”, having no knowledge is sort of the definition of clueless. If they have read the EU and UK agreements as set out in the guidelines or aware of whats in them they will know, which is sort of the opposite of what you were saying in the first place.
They either know or dont know whats been agreed, cant be both.

 

[nicko31]

Said NSC's EU spokesman/bedwetter in chief. Whereas the Truth is what was provisionally agreed was open to interpretation and depended on what happened later in the negotation process.

Quite a shock to see the UK PM standing up for UK interests in parliament today for many who had swallowed the EU narrative

So are you suggesting we are going to renege on what has already agreed? If that's the case its not looking good for us.

 

[Baldseagull]

Employers don’t need to concern themselves about which date someone entered or their route of entry, they only need to know paperwork issued giving permission to work is in order, as they currently do for those outside the EU.
Just how widespread are you envisioning the problem of EU citizens living and working here illegally becoming?

I can see Ppf advertising jobs, just so he can tell foreigners "Your papers are not in order."

 

[nicko31]

Just a reminder there are some decent Tories out there. There isn't a British PM still alive that thinks Brexit is good for Britain, John Major a true statesman

https://www.channel4.com/news/sir-john-major-brexit-damaging-for-millions-of-ordinary-people

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The Irish problem is a different scenario to my two friends.

My own opinion is that borders are man made. We are all human and should be able to get on with each other. Cooperation always works better than thinking you can go alone.

Indeed and we had a common travel area long before we joined the EC/EU. The only side threatening a hard border is the EU.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

So are you suggesting we are going to renege on what has already agreed? If that's the case its not looking good for us.

Depends on what you think was provisionally agreed (assume it's the EU press release line).

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Just a reminder there are some decent Tories out there. There isn't a British PM still alive that thinks Brexit is good for Britain, John Major a true statesman

https://www.channel4.com/news/sir-john-major-brexit-damaging-for-millions-of-ordinary-people

The same 'true statesman' who said “There will not be another referendum on Europe. This is it.”' ... now calling for another referendum, very T Blair

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Indeed and we had a common travel area long before we joined the EC/EU. The only side threatening a hard border is the EU.

No, they are not threatening a hard border. The 39 hardline MPs are pressurising the government into a Hard Brexit which is threatening the Good Friday agreement.

 

[nicko31]

No, they are not threatening a hard border. The 39 hardline MPs are pressurising the government into a Hard Brexit which is threatening the Good Friday agreement.

They'd rather have a war in Ireland if it meant a hard clean Brexit and Hormone Beef Sandwiches

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No, they are not threatening a hard border. The 39 hardline MPs are pressurising the government into a Hard Brexit which is threatening the Good Friday agreement.

Rubbish. The UK government is protecting the integrity of the UK (as they should) and following the wishes of the UK electorate (leave/take back control). The Irish government temporarily backed by the EU Commission are the problem.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

They'd rather have a war in Ireland if it meant a hard clean Brexit and Hormone Beef Sandwiches

I can see why so many Remainers think you are a