[Politics] Brexit

[Bladders]

spread the word

But....but....but....£4300. Its a lot of money


I wonder if the head burier's will take any notice.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yes and many other large international investment firms that would prefer not to relocate 1000's of jobs to the mainland. This goes for JP Morgan, Credit Suisse et al.

You are a fine advocate of the bankers and big business capitalists, it is maybe because you are so young that you do not understand what their motives are, in fact I would expect for many in this vote they will take their cue from the bankers.........such people may say if staying in is good for the banks, then I am out. Goldman Sachs in particular and understandably is merely acting in its own interests.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/who-loses-the-most-from-brexit-try-goldman-sachs-1460403274

For me it's not that stark, however the banks have been an integral part of the EU, it's mistakes and the subsequent austerity that is grinding the poor into dust throughout the EZ and to a lesser extent in the UK. I don't expect people like you to care about the poor being impoverished by the banks because you are evidently so steeped in the interests of global capitalism you are a lost cause. Others who have not yet sold their soul it this way may hopefully look at you and your contribution and question why they would be siding in this argument with such a dreadful myopic mercantilist..........

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexi...ly-in-favour-of-a-club-for-capitalists-2016-4

There is a lot of it about..........

 

[sparkie]

But....but....but....£4300. Its a lot of money


I wonder if the head burier's will take any notice.

Aye, I agree, £4300 is a lot of money.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Soulman he is a fruitloop because he has spoken out against the remainers

I was thinking more of his later career - a huge capacity for self-promotion (some of the quotes on here praising him have been taken from his own website), his seeming association with the more rabid extremes of zionism, the rent-a-quote stuff appearing on sites such as Breibart and his own reports of recent conversations with dead major generals.

 

[Two Professors]

So talking with dead Major Generals is the fruitloop maker?Talking to gods,people you admire,dead relatives,during prayers is fine?Archbishops,Chief Rabbis,Grand Muftis etc aren't fruitloops?

 

[Two Professors]

I do think all this quoting of random sets of letters such as NIESR from Remainers should come with a disclaimer telling us how much of their funding comes from the EU,Commission,Government,quangos like the Economic and Social Research Council.To say these organisations have no axe to grind is B.O.L.O.X.!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I think you are right the public will vote IN, i think the porkies will be ramped up so high that many will be sh1t scared to do anything other than vote IN.
At the moment the vote is close.

You're being unduly pessimistic Soulman. Ignoring the rights and wrongs of the arguments (and we all have our views), it is fair to say that the Leave message is simpler, more direct and more heart-appealing than the Remain one. If I was a neutral-view PR man offered a job by each side I know which I'd choose. There will be stirring Churchillian messages poured out by the Leave campaign in the final weeks and they could well have an effect. Just imagine the Mail/Express/Sun front pages on voting day. On the other hand there is a dry and technical argument that the polls may be understating the Remain vote but we can't be certain that and I'd say that there are plenty of straws for both sides to clutch at the moment.

 

[5ways]

Like Boris I was IN a year ago.

Then like Boris I actually looked into it all a bit deeper.

OUT.

You to aspire to lead the Tory party?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

So talking with dead Major Generals is the fruitloop maker?Talking to gods,people you admire,dead relatives,during prayers is fine?Archbishops,Chief Rabbis,Grand Muftis etc aren't fruitloops?

It's fine with me if he wants to go round telling the world that he's talking to dead Major Generals but, all things being equal, it doesn't make me feel that his views should outweigh those of more sober and numerous specialists.

 

[5ways]

You are a fine advocate of the bankers and big business capitalists, it is maybe because you are so young that you do not understand what their motives are, in fact I would expect for many in this vote they will take their cue from the bankers.........such people may say if staying in is good for the banks, then I am out. Goldman Sachs in particular and understandably is merely acting in its own interests.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/who-loses-the-most-from-brexit-try-goldman-sachs-1460403274

For me it's not that stark, however the banks have been an integral part of the EU, it's mistakes and the subsequent austerity that is grinding the poor into dust throughout the EZ and to a lesser extent in the UK. I don't expect people like you to care about the poor being impoverished by the banks because you are evidently so steeped in the interests of global capitalism you are a lost cause. Others who have not yet sold their soul it this way may hopefully look at you and your contribution and question why they would be siding in this argument with such a dreadful myopic mercantilist..........

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexi...ly-in-favour-of-a-club-for-capitalists-2016-4

There is a lot of it about..........

I am favour in the big banks staying in London simply because they pay such an extraordinary amount of tax. It's not just a few bankers and fund managers, it's lawyers, it's actuaries and insurance salespeople, it's financial analysis, risk analysis. Shipping, metals, oil, grain. It's trading, it's business, it's opportunity. Thousands of well paid jobs for British people. This supports the wider economy, tailors, taxi's, high-end sushi spots. All businesses act in its own interest to make money. You can talk about levels of regulation, that's up to the government. Austerity is up to the government. But I see no reason to risk the golden goose.

Mercantilism is zero-sum, if I have this piece of gold you do not have it, therefore I am richer. It's obviously more complicated than that, there's no upper limit to the size of an economy and the activity within it. Banks will do business where the market leads them. If we are shut out of the largest and richest market banks will shift their focus away from London.

 

[5ways]

So to summarise, you decided to avoid the question entirely because you knew sterling has never fallen by 8% ( even on Black Wednesday ! ) so the idea it would fall by that much is a load of bluster.

I think it demonstrates the magnitude of the risk. It is economic seppuku and like nothing we've seen before. That the pound will likely fall and perhaps as much as a 1/5th of it's value is incredible. All it took was for Boris to volte-face and the pound dropped to a 7 year low, if we actually pull the trigger you should be well aware of what we are in for. Right now it's drip drip drip. I don't want the levy to burst.

"The pound fell 0.2% to $1.4398 at one stage, having declined 1.7% in the previous four days. Sterling weakened 0.2% to 79.18 pence against the euro after appreciating as much as 0.5% earlier....“The relative weakness we’ve seen in the pound may be as much about the anticipation of what this week may hold as it is a reaction to the dollar’s move we’ve seen so far,” said Mr Rumpletin.

“Referendum-related concerns also remain very much a driver and will continue to do so until the vote.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busine...o-79p-against-euro-on-brexit-fear-398551.html

 

[Bladders]

Aye, I agree, £4300 is a lot of money.

Sweet Jesus, I do hope you're joking

 

[Bladders]

You to aspire to lead the Tory party?

I'd be bloody brilliant at it too.

 

[Two Professors]

It's fine with me if he wants to go round telling the world that he's talking to dead Major Generals but, all things being equal, it doesn't make me feel that his views should outweigh those of more sober and numerous specialists.

I will presume you have been drinking,or smoking weed.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I will presume you have been drinking,or smoking weed.

I guess it's amphetamines for [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION].

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I will presume you have been drinking,or smoking weed.

As the man who once agreed that the EU border was about to move from Greece to Syria you will surely have been consuming both.

 

[Maldini]

I think it demonstrates the magnitude of the risk. It is economic seppuku and like nothing we've seen before. That the pound will likely fall and perhaps as much as a 1/5th of it's value is incredible. All it took was for Boris to volte-face and the pound dropped to a 7 year low, if we actually pull the trigger you should be well aware of what we are in for. Right now it's drip drip drip. I don't want the levy to burst.

"The pound fell 0.2% to $1.4398 at one stage, having declined 1.7% in the previous four days. Sterling weakened 0.2% to 79.18 pence against the euro after appreciating as much as 0.5% earlier....“The relative weakness we’ve seen in the pound may be as much about the anticipation of what this week may hold as it is a reaction to the dollar’s move we’ve seen so far,” said Mr Rumpletin.

“Referendum-related concerns also remain very much a driver and will continue to do so until the vote.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busine...o-79p-against-euro-on-brexit-fear-398551.html

The pound dropped to 1.37 in 2008 years before any talk of Brexit. Any comments?

 

[looney]

Well here is my pitch.

Voting to remain in the EU isn't going to make the problems we face go away, in fact by any measure they will get a lot worse.


Its my view that if you are neutral now and vote to remain in the EU, then at some point over the next few years you will come to bitterly regret it for possibly the rest of your life.

Immigration,or mass immigration impacts on numerous indices, suppresses wages, drives up rents, reduces quality of life and standards of living, stresses infrastructure ,reduces social cohesion and social mobility.

Then there is the issue of security, maybe ask why Kenya is building a wall with Somalia?

 

[yxee]

Sounds about right that the £4,300 figure is nonsensical.

It sounds like one of those "here's the result that I want, now go and do some analysis to get it" type of study.

 

[portslade seagull]

It's fine with me if he wants to go round telling the world that he's talking to dead Major Generals but, all things being equal, it doesn't make me feel that his views should outweigh those of more sober and numerous specialists.

You mean specialists with a vested interest that we remain