ben duncan green councillor = tosspot

[Perfidious Albion]

According to my book of Shakespeare's words, Tosspot -
"a drunkard , sot, tippler"

As in "Twelfth Night" spoken by Feste ......
At least we know what we are calling him .

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It was a daft thing to say. But a bit too much hand-wringing on this thread.

It's political correctness gone mad when someone can't express an alternative view on the armed forces.

The trouble is his type love to get into people when they express views him and his kind don't like. If someone said something inflamatory about Gays him and his ilk would be up in arms calling for someones resignation if the words came from a rival politicians mouth.

 

[SouthCoastOwl]

What a weasel. How can a 160 character tweet be taken out of context? Utterly contemptible.

Agree, a tweet can't be taken out of context because it is, by definition, it's own context and not part of a larger body of work. The man's an idiot.

 

[pastafarian]

March for England threatening to protest now.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1131..._hired_killers__councillor_resigns/?ref=var_0

 

[Pinkie Brown]

March for England threatening to protest now.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1131..._hired_killers__councillor_resigns/?ref=var_0

Brain dead knuckledraggers jumping on the bandwagon again.

I don't usually have much time for Fanshawe, but he's spot on with this letter.

 

[spring hall convert]

The very worst I've dealt with was a Tory lady.

She wouldn't have happened to be the councillor for Rottingdean by any chance?

 

[spring hall convert]

Brain dead knuckledraggers jumping on the bandwagon again.

I don't usually have much time for Fanshawe, but he's spot on with this letter.

The key line being "If you want to take issue with them then question the democratic control and accountability of those that send them to war."
Soldiers can't choose who they fight.

 

[Machiavelli]

The key line being "If you want to take issue with them then question the democratic control and accountability of those that send them to war."
Soldiers can't choose who they fight.

There are an increasing number of those that were in the armed forces at the turn of the millennium who question the choices leaders made for them to fight. And this disastrous episode will lead to more soldiers choosing not to fight certain wars.
Fanshawe would have a tad more credibility if he wasn't a New Labour-ite -- the very same clique that engaged in the sub-sixth form quality that is the Iraq War dossier which managed to find its way past the majority of our media.

 

[John Bumlick]

our forces risk their lives to give us freedom.

Unless you are much older than your posts on here would indicate, there isn't a single British soldier who has fought "to give [you] freedom".

 

[keaton]

The key line being "If you want to take issue with them then question the democratic control and accountability of those that send them to war."
Soldiers can't choose who they fight.

But you can choose whether or not to enlist. I don't see how anyone could sign up in the last 20 years and not think there's a chance they might be involved in morally dubious actions

 

[Triggaaar]

Unless you are much older than your posts on here would indicate, there isn't a single British soldier who has fought "to give [you] freedom".

There are still soldiers alive that fought in the second world war. And more recently our soldiers have fought for British civilians on the Falkland Islands. And you need soldiers in peace time to keep the peace.

 

[daveinprague]

There are still soldiers alive that fought in the second world war. And more recently our soldiers have fought for British civilians on the Falkland Islands. And you need soldiers in peace time to keep the peace.

Falkland islanders were not British civilians.

 

[John Bumlick]

There are still soldiers alive that fought in the second world war. And more recently our soldiers have fought for British civilians on the Falkland Islands. And you need soldiers in peace time to keep the peace.

All valid points (although the last one is debatable) but it doesn't change the fact that the modern soldier signs up voluntarily and gets paid to carry out the wishes of the government. If you really believe any of the conflicts they been involved in recently have anything to do with protecting your freedom then you are naive at best.

 

[daveinprague]

I seriously doubt if anybody joins the military to 'protect freedoms'..people join to learn a trade, have a job, travel, adventure...pretty sure preserving civilian freedoms is some way down the list...if even on the list.

 

[somerset]

I seriously doubt if anybody joins the military to 'protect freedoms'..people join to learn a trade, have a job, travel, adventure...pretty sure preserving civilian freedoms is some way down the list...if even on the list.

It will be on the list nevertheless DIP.... so can't be discarded.

 

[daveinprague]

Not so sure Somerset.. I dont recall anybody I served with in the RN who had joined for anything other than learning a trade and travel.

 

[smudge]

Although I was never a front line soldier, one of the reasons I left the services was the way Blair took us in to Iraq. I remember sitting listening to him lie to parliament about the threat Iraq posed to us, thinking, "nobody will believe this bullshit".

But I digress, the guy mentioned in this thread is clearly spending way too much time in his life trying to be "right on". He has no perspective of what sacrifices were taken, by the group of people he disparages, to create the society in which he can spout his bile. Feel sorry for his nipper.

 

[Triggaaar]

Falkland islanders were not British civilians.

What's the correct term, British territories civilians?

If you really believe any of the conflicts they been involved in recently have anything to do with protecting your freedom then you are naive at best.

Why do you think our soldiers have been sent to Afghanistan?

 

[daveinprague]

What's the correct term, British territories civilians?

Not sure...some sort of dependant terriritory civilians..i believe they sent representatives to Downing Street the year before the war to ask for full citizenship, but they got the bums rush by all accounts...
....after the war, they pushed it through...


'Why do you think our soldiers have been sent to Afghanistan? '

USA asked/requested validation?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Falkland islanders were not British civilians.

Are you taking the Argentinian viewpoint that current 9th generation islanders are illegal settlers ? We might as well hand over Gibraltar to the Spanish.