[News] Becky Watts

[BrickTamland]

Capital punishment is wrong IMO but so are the awfully short sentences which the perpetrators get, especially for rape. For the more clear cut cases it should be life, with no parole, in minimal condition prisons. Lesser crimes should be handled with the view of rehabilitation, however.

 

[BensGrandad]

Ridiculous light sentence he got the statutory life to serve a minimum 33 years she got 17 years for manslaughter.

 

[Diego Napier]

Calm down, talk about rambling and being febrile

Can one not play devils advocate in a discussion anymore? Debates would be pretty dull if people dare not make thought provoking comments. Sorry that I made you and others feel so riled by this and that the Becky Watts case isn't worthy of such a discussion.

In any case you have completely missed my original point and for your note I have not suggested a CP blanket rule for all murder cases.

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You still felt the need to register these mewlings after posts #75 & #76?

Words fail me, you win.

 

[Hillian1]

You still felt the need to register these mewlings after posts #75 & #76?

Words fail me, you win.

With respect, the poster has stated he respects anybody's stance on this.

For me, I would like to see Corporal punishment for cases like this. However I have never experienced what he has, and hope to God I never will.

I can only imagine the mental pain.

 

[symyjym]

You still felt the need to register these mewlings after posts #75 & #76?

Words fail me, you win.

I haven't said anything that either undermines or is disrespectful to #75 & #76, and I fully respect and understand their view

My response was to you and I believe it to be a fair one and without the overwhelming desire to be patronising.

 

[GT49er]

The US is an example. Do you think it would be much different here in respect of appeal after appeal or do you think it is just a case of the judge putting the black cloth on his head and the court officers then taking the prisoner out back to the gallows!!

This is where the US has got it wrong on both counts. Keeping somebody on death row for years is inhuman (and poor value for money!) If you're going to have a death penalty it should be carried out reasonably quickly - not quite a gallows out the back of the court though! Fast track appeal, convened straight away, then final appeal to the governor/president/home secretary, then off with their heads if unsuccessful - but keeping them hanging around (no pun intended!) for months or years is not acceptable.

 

[drew]

This is where the US has got it wrong on both counts. Keeping somebody on death row for years is inhuman (and poor value for money!) If you're going to have a death penalty it should be carried out reasonably quickly - not quite a gallows out the back of the court though! Fast track appeal, convened straight away, then final appeal to the governor/president/home secretary, then off with their heads if unsuccessful - but keeping them hanging around (no pun intended!) for months or years is not acceptable.

You might want to take a look at this list before being so eager to carry out the sentence!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

 

[GT49er]

You might want to take a look at this list before being so eager to carry out the sentence!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

I did look - without particularly wanting to! I never once said the US legal system was any good - if those people were in fact not guilty, their successful appeals should have been heard much quicker.

 

[drew]

I did look - without particularly wanting to! I never once said the US legal system was any good - if those people were in fact not guilty, their successful appeals should have been heard much quicker.

The UK system can be just as slow. There are plenty of cases of miscarriage of justice not reversed for years. However, what's a few innocents getting executed in the grand scheme of things!

 

[BensGrandad]

The UK system can be just as slow. There are plenty of cases of miscarriage of justice not reversed for years. However, what's a few innocents getting executed in the grand scheme of things!

Being anti capital punishment what is your view on the sentences passed

 

[highway61]

Just to say, I am in no way offended by peoples views on this thorny subject, I only posted my experiences after much thought. The opportunity had been there a few times before but the discussions then were a bit too angry and vitriolic. Id also like to thank those who sent a PM to me, I appreciate all you have experienced and am humbled that you felt you could share.

 

[drew]

Ridiculous light sentence he got the statutory life to serve a minimum 33 years she got 17 years for manslaughter.

Being anti capital punishment what is your view on the sentences passed

Well firstly I think life should mean life. That said, his sentence is a minimum of 33 years but could equally end up being life. There is no guarantee that he will get parole when he is 61 and hopefully he may well end up staying behind bars until he dies. Not sure I would describe that as 'ridiculously' light. Not quite sure how she only got away with 17 years though. Should be the same as him.

 

[BensGrandad]

Unfortunately EU law doesnt allow it but I think his minimum should have been 60 years thereby saying he would probably die in prison. His 33 years will be accepted by the do gooders and he will probably be released, when he reaches it.

 

[drew]

Unfortunately EU law doesnt allow it but I think his minimum should have been 60 years thereby saying he would probably die in prison. His 33 years will be accepted by the do gooders and he will probably be released, when he reaches it.

I think what you are trying to say is that the European Court of Human Rights (not the EU) do not allow a life sentence to mean life (regrettably) but that doesn't mean some prisoners won't serve life!

By do gooders, do you mean those that don't agree with the death penalty?

 

[Gwylan]

I think what you are trying to say is that the European Court of Human Rights (not the EU) do not allow a life sentence to mean life (regrettably) but that doesn't mean some prisoners won't serve life!

What the ECHR stopped was politicians determining whole life terms: nothing to stop judges. There are more than 60 prisoners in UK jails serving whole life terms at the moment and some who are, in effect, serving them. Sarah Payne's murderer, Roy Whiting for example. I don't know why BG seems to think that it doesn't happen.

I also think that it would extremely unlikely that Nathan Matthews will be freed in 33 years time - there are plenty of prisoners who have served their minimum sentence but stayed in jail. Police killer Harry Roberts was released last year, 18 years after his term was up. My guess is that Matthews will serve at least 40 years

 

[drew]

What the ECHR stopped was politicians determining whole life terms: nothing to stop judges. There are more than 60 prisoners in UK jails serving whole life terms at the moment and some who are, in effect, serving them. Sarah Payne's murderer, Roy Whiting for example. I don't know why BG seems to think that it doesn't happen.

I also think that it would extremely unlikely that Nathan Matthews will be freed in 33 years time - there are plenty of prisoners who have served their minimum sentence but stayed in jail. Police killer Harry Roberts was released last year, 18 years after his term was up. My guess is that Matthews will serve at least 40 years

Sorry, thanks for the clarification. Taking politics out of the sentencing.

 

[highway61]

My Daughters killer received a life sentence with a minimum term to be served of 18 years. However the police and prosecution services informed me on the day that in fact when he has completed 18 years he is allowed to seek parole, with no guarantee of course that he will be granted it. In fact their belief was he was more likely to spend nearer 25.

 

[clapham_gull]

Unfortunately EU law doesnt allow it but I think his minimum should have been 60 years thereby saying he would probably die in prison. His 33 years will be accepted by the do gooders and he will probably be released, when he reaches it.

You posted this before. Life doesn't mean life, but the whole life tariff does.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So what should happen to the lone terrorist who Police have captured in France?

What benefit would be had by leaving this scum alive?

 

[drew]

So what should happen to the lone terrorist who Police have captured in France?

What benefit would be had by leaving this scum alive?

Edit: changed my mind.