[Football] Barn Door

[GT49er]

He’s never been part of the youth development team and yes he is the attacking coach.

Absolutely not, never.


Cough .............

https://www.seagullspics.com/galler...-senior-player-development-coach-bruno-saltor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_(footballer,_born_1980)#Coaching_career

 

[GT49er]

Double post.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Yes. In theory.

However it is an empirical fact that Bruno, whist being a brilliant defender, is an absolute shite attacking coach (if he is and has been for a while). 1 shot on target vs Villa at home, which was a lame effort, shows his effectiveness. Imo of course.

Well, depends on whether you credit coaching as being able to unleash unlimited ability in a player or not. A coach can only take a player’s or players ability so far. Saying Bruno is a shite attacking coach based on our playing squad that sits 10th, Maupay arguably having his best season in the top flight, I’d say is unfair, but neither of us can know if it’s player limitations or coaching.

 

[Springal]

Yes. In theory.

However it is an empirical fact that Bruno, whist being a brilliant defender, is an absolute shite attacking coach (if he is and has been for a while). 1 shot on target vs Villa at home, which was a lame effort, shows his effectiveness. Imo of course.

What about when we scored 3 past Man City ? Or 2 against Liverpool.

Shite then or good ?

 

[Swansman]

I missed the Tweet. So, it does seem you were being serious [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] and you do have my sincere apology on this count.

But let's now tidy this up.

1) I thought he was taking the piss because it makes about as much sense as having Glenn Murray coaching the full backs and

2) Dealing with the attacking in a collaborative team is not the same as having a specialist attacking coach, which is what the OP asked.

So it being Bruno may be a fact but it isn't a good thing.

Bruno working with strikers is no weirder than you working with people, some of who may be nice and sensible...

But you might have studied them and seen them in action, and same goes for Bruno.

Is it good, as a coach, to have playing experience?Obviously it can be useful though not everyone has it. Not every veterinarian has a background as a dog and not every football coach has a background as a professional footballer. Rene Meeulensteen had a shite professional career and then went on to be the "technical skills coach" in Manchester United for six years, helping players like a then young Cristiano Ronaldo, Pepijn Lijnders had none at all and is now the assistant coach for Liverpool after previously working with players individual skills...

If we still decide to look at their playing careers, Bruno was a professional player for 20 years, playing and training with and against attacking players and probably had a dozen or so managers during that career and might have picked up a thing or two (some people do not cease to develop & learn in their late teens) about how non-right backs play football.

One or two in here might have seen a training session with Bruno in the coaching role. Most probably havent, so what is essentially going on here is:

"Bruno is not a good attacking coach!"

Have you seen him doing his job?

"No..."

No wonder our species is putting itself in a lot of trouble.

 

[Guinness Boy]

"Bruno is not a good attacking coach!"

Have you seen him doing his job?

"No..."

No wonder our species is putting itself in a lot of trouble.

Firstly he is not the attacking coach in the same way as Ben Roberts is our goalkeeping coach. Ben is credited as such on the club's who's who. Bruno isn't. Every other piece of info available other than the posted tweet have him as player development coach and our player development is pretty decent across the board.

However, I have seen the results of our attacking coaching. We have scored fewer goals this season than every single PL team except Wolves, Norwich, Burnley and Watford.

As the OP alludes we seem to be struggling in the cow's backside / banjo department.

 

[Swansman]

Firstly he is not the attacking coach in the same way as Ben Roberts is our goalkeeping coach. Ben is credited as such on the club's who's who. Bruno isn't. Every other piece of info available other than the posted tweet have him as player development coach and our player development is pretty decent across the board.

However, I have seen the results of our attacking coaching. We have scored fewer goals this season than every single PL team except Wolves, Norwich, Burnley and Watford.

As the OP alludes we seem to be struggling in the cow's backside / banjo department.

No doubt is the team struggling to score goals. 15th highest wages in the league, 15th highest in number of goals...

Marcelo Bielsa did not turn Ben White into a £50m defender and coach X won't turn Pascal Gross into Frank Lampard. If scoring more goals was a simple as calling Alan Shearer, Leon Knight or Jonathan Calleri and make him have shooting practice with the strikers and midfielders for one hour a day, then every team would do it rather than splash £100m on a footballer. Obviously coaching has some impact, but at this level what will determine most of your success is the quality you already had when joining the first team.

For all we know - which isnt much - the team might have scored five goals less if Bruno wasnt doing a hell of a good job. Or five more if he wasnt as shite; we dont know.

If we want to see Brighton score more goals (and all of us do) the reality is that the solution by far most likely to solve the problem is to buy quality footballers.

 

[Guinness Boy]

No doubt is the team struggling to score goals. 15th highest wages in the league, 15th highest in number of goals...

Marcelo Bielsa did not turn Ben White into a £50m defender and coach X won't turn Pascal Gross into Frank Lampard. If scoring more goals was a simple as calling Alan Shearer, Leon Knight or Jonathan Calleri and make him have shooting practice with the strikers and midfielders for one hour a day, then every team would do it rather than splash £100m on a footballer. Obviously coaching has some impact, but at this level what will determine most of your success is the quality you already had when joining the first team.

For all we know - which isnt much - the team might have scored five goals less if Bruno wasnt doing a hell of a good job. Or five more if he wasnt as shite; we dont know.

If we want to see Brighton score more goals (and all of us do) the reality is that the solution by far most likely to solve the problem is to buy quality footballers.

I'll give you just one example from yesterday -corners.

For EVERY one we had two players poised to take and three on the edge of the box. That's five players, plus Sanchez NOT involved in competing for it in the box and scoring. It was not once pulled back to the three on the edge, who would have had to shoot through a crowd of bodies and, when the clearance reached them we played it immediately wide again. Not one delivery hit our five in the box either.

That isn't the players. That's coaching, and we didn't change it once.

 

[Seagull58]

Bruno working with strikers is no weirder than you working with people, some of who may be nice and sensible...

But you might have studied them and seen them in action, and same goes for Bruno.

Is it good, as a coach, to have playing experience?Obviously it can be useful though not everyone has it. Not every veterinarian has a background as a dog and not every football coach has a background as a professional footballer. Rene Meeulensteen had a shite professional career and then went on to be the "technical skills coach" in Manchester United for six years, helping players like a then young Cristiano Ronaldo, Pepijn Lijnders had none at all and is now the assistant coach for Liverpool after previously working with players individual skills...

If we still decide to look at their playing careers, Bruno was a professional player for 20 years, playing and training with and against attacking players and probably had a dozen or so managers during that career and might have picked up a thing or two (some people do not cease to develop & learn in their late teens) about how non-right backs play football.

One or two in here might have seen a training session with Bruno in the coaching role. Most probably havent, so what is essentially going on here is:

"Bruno is not a good attacking coach!"

Have you seen him doing his job?

"No..."

No wonder our species is putting itself in a lot of trouble.

Everything you say may have merit but, whatever his qualifications for the role may be, if he is the attacking coach he is not succeeding by any objective measure except percentage possession. Our goals scored and shots on target are abysmal. Our number of chances created is, possibly, adequate for a mid-table team.

 

[Arthritic Toe]

What is mystifying is the inability of anyone in the team to take a decent shot from a bouncing ball outside the area. They are nearly always just blazed over the stand. Surely its a simple matter of practicing how to address the ball in a variety of different situations e.g. deadball, spinning ball, bouncing ball approaching etc etc. Time after time it just seems like these guys have never taken on a shot in their life. Even Lamptey got in on the act yesterday.

The Villa chap seemed to manage it ok.

 

[Recidivist]

What is mystifying is the inability of anyone in the team to take a decent shot from a bouncing ball outside the area. They are nearly always just blazed over the stand. Surely its a simple matter of practicing how to address the ball in a variety of different situations e.g. deadball, spinning ball, bouncing ball approaching etc etc. Time after time it just seems like these guys have never taken on a shot in their life. Even Lamptey got in on the act yesterday.

The Villa chap seemed to manage it ok.

Baffles me too. It’s as if they’re told to always go for power rather than accuracy. Happens in the box too. We’ve missed quite a few from point blank range.

Doesn’t matter how hard you hit the ball if it’s off target to start with……


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[blockhseagull]

That quote is quite clearly talking about on a matchday.

As the question was asked specifically about GP being missing on the day.

Fair amount of leaping to Bruno being the man on a day to day basis that is looking after the attacking.

 

[Swansman]

That quote is quite clearly talking about on a matchday.

As the question was asked specifically about GP being missing on the day.

Fair amount of leaping to Bruno being the man on a day to day basis that is looking after the attacking.

No the question was about how the backroom staff works

 

[OzMike]

Thought this could be about the return of Ashley, as he is getting no time at Burnley.

 

[Eric Youngs Contact Lens]

I fear I may be in a tiny minority here, but I can't see why this appears to be about attacking coaching and not defending and quality of players. If the Villa game is an analogy for our home form, and I am not looking at the stats just what I think i saw, we created as many "good" chances as Aston Villa did, arguably the best chances. Ally Mac and Welbeck were presented with the best chances of the day. I would argue that Ally's chance was "easier" than Cash's and Welbeck's easier than Watkins. Our chaps missed, they scored. The most pressing issue for me is that we are conceding really poor goals too often again recently - asking us then to rely on breaking teams down which many teams, far better than us can find really difficult. We have conceded terrible goals providing teams with the opportunity to then defend, waiting for the inevitable breakaway goal. Most recently Spurs, Man Utd, Villa, Burnley all had horrible goals that put pressure on us. With essentially the same attacking team as before, no wonder we are struggling to do too much different. Saturday could easily have been 2-0 to us. Who knows about Old Trafford and even Spurs had we not gifted them goals to get in front. Burnley I take out because whilst it included horrible goals, their 1st goal was excellent, and it was the worst team performance for quite some time.

 

[BNthree]

I fear I may be in a tiny minority here, but I can't see why this appears to be about attacking coaching and not defending and quality of players. If the Villa game is an analogy for our home form, and I am not looking at the stats just what I think i saw, we created as many "good" chances as Aston Villa did, arguably the best chances. Ally Mac and Welbeck were presented with the best chances of the day. I would argue that Ally's chance was "easier" than Cash's and Welbeck's easier than Watkins. Our chaps missed, they scored. The most pressing issue for me is that we are conceding really poor goals too often again recently - asking us then to rely on breaking teams down which many teams, far better than us can find really difficult. We have conceded terrible goals providing teams with the opportunity to then defend, waiting for the inevitable breakaway goal. Most recently Spurs, Man Utd, Villa, Burnley all had horrible goals that put pressure on us. With essentially the same attacking team as before, no wonder we are struggling to do too much different. Saturday could easily have been 2-0 to us. Who knows about Old Trafford and even Spurs had we not gifted them goals to get in front. Burnley I take out because whilst it included horrible goals, their 1st goal was excellent, and it was the worst team performance for quite some time.

Probably as we've had Webster and Dunk out from defence so that has been disrupted (plus we sold Burn which with hindsight was terrible timing). However we've not scored at all in our last 3 matches without any of our attack missing matches. Without scoring goals it is hard to win a match.

 

[Eric Youngs Contact Lens]

As we've not scored in our last 3 matches and without scoring goals it is hard to win a match.

Agreed, but it is also notoriously difficult to pick up 3 points if you concede daft goals when you are not a free-scoring side. My point s that our recent form or points haul is arguably as much to do with the absence of mistake-free defending as it is our ability to score goals. Our attacking players haven't changed and we struggle to score lots of goals. If teams can do a job on Lamptey and Cucurella, which is much easier to do when you are OK to defend in numbers which you are when you are away from home or 1-0 up, we will struggle to score. Welbeck, Maupay, Trossard, Ally Mac, Lallana, Gross, March - none of them are prolific, but we can apply pressure and create chances when teams feel the need to play more openly against us - if we score 1st, if they are Top 4 or 6 or they are (Bielsa's) Leeds Utd . Wolves are so similar in this regard - if they defend brilliantly, they will win and draw, but they struggle to score goals, arguably because they are so tight at the back, but their do have "better" finishers than us on the whole I think.. Neves/Moutinho gets the Ally Mac chance on Saturday, Jiminez gets the Welbeck chance - I think they might have done better.

 

[chaileyjem]

What is mystifying is the inability of anyone in the team to take a decent shot from a bouncing ball outside the area. They are nearly always just blazed over the stand. Surely its a simple matter of practicing how to address the ball in a variety of different situations e.g. deadball, spinning ball, bouncing ball approaching etc etc. Time after time it just seems like these guys have never taken on a shot in their life. Even Lamptey got in on the act yesterday.

The Villa chap seemed to manage it ok.

Every single game in the premier league features players consistently blazing balls over the bar with shots from outside the area following a corner etc/clearance. Even some of the best players in the world.
Its quite rare for those to go in so not mystifying at all. But they sometimes do. Ask MacAllister v Everton. How often has Matty Cash scored a goal like that for Villa? (ie: hardly ever)

 

[Prettyboyshaw]

Well that’s a surprise another set of dream stats and lack of cutting edge and end product. How is it possible to ignore we need better coaching and tactics in the final third plus some extra shooting practice wouldn’t go amiss. Maybe get Bruno to coach the defence or meet and greet in the 1901 because he is not improving our pathetic play in the final 3rd

 

[BadFish]

It's not just finishing, we don't set up enough good chances and our attacking play too often goes nowhere. Earlier in I the season we were mixing it up and occasionally playing more direct and it was paying dividends. We seem to have stopped doing that and our passing passing passing game gives the opposition time to get set up and pack the box. . . then we can't get through.

I believe we need to spend more time on attacking patterns and also learn a few other methods to get at goal. Probably a load of time on finishing too. I disagree with the idea that you can either finish it you can't, it is something that can be worked on.

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