[Football] A genuine question - what did the UK gain from Indian occupation?

[Bakero]

Proof please.

Will this do?

https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/scots-who-hooked-china-opium-1471413

https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/opium-wars-how-scottish-traders-fed-habit-2510684

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Opium-Wars

https://thewire.in/books/book-review-opium-inc-british-raj-narco-state

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49404024

https://aeon.co/essays/from-tea-to-opium-how-the-scots-left-their-mark-on-china

 

[heathgate]

Not me that should be doing the reading.

What needs clarification in my post.....?

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[heathgate]

An article in the Daily Mail with one personal opinion, that it was his vanity project. There’s no way he could’ve taken that decision alone. Rejoicing in the IRA blowing him up, along with innocent victims is disgusting.

The Dieppe raid was a failure but many lessons were learned which enabled D day in Normandy.

What exactly has the Dieppe raid got to do with our colonial past?.... and what does its failure say about our colonial past?

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[heathgate]

Or they might, as a few other nations with no British rule also developed their infrastructure between 1858 and 1947...

Yes, and the relevance of this statement and dates is what?

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[Swansman]

Yes, and the relevance of this statement and dates is what?

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The general development in the world during that time.

 

[heathgate]

What started in 1858, and seemingly finished in 1947?.... come on man, you regularly throw in these types of random soundbites, but rarely make it count by giving any appropriate context or meaning.... enlighten me.

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[Sid and the Sharknados]

What started in 1858, and seemingly finished in 1947?.... come on man, you regularly throw in these types of random soundbites, but rarely make it count by giving any appropriate context or meaning.... enlighten me.

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It's the start and end dates of the British Raj.

Not including the preceding period of East India Company rule.

 

[Bakero]

What started in 1858, and seemingly finished in 1947?.... come on man, you regularly throw in these types of random soundbites, but rarely make it count by giving any appropriate context or meaning.... enlighten me.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj

What are you arguing about? Someone suggested that the British Empire had a positive effect on India's "infrastructure, economy, education, hospitals, public gardens". Swansman said those things may well have developed on their own, like they did in non-empire countries.

 

[maltaseagull]

Will this do?

https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/scots-who-hooked-china-opium-1471413

https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/opium-wars-how-scottish-traders-fed-habit-2510684

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Opium-Wars

https://thewire.in/books/book-review-opium-inc-british-raj-narco-state

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49404024

https://aeon.co/essays/from-tea-to-opium-how-the-scots-left-their-mark-on-china

I have to admit that I sort of admire your persistence in trying to prove you are right and I do not condone the actions quoted but in point of fact and reciprocating your "dog with a bone" attitude, it does NOT prove that SCOTLAND invaded anyone for the reasons you quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_invasions_of_England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_involving_the_Kingdom_of_Scotland

 

[Bakero]

I have to admit that I sort of admire your persistence in trying to prove you are right and I do not condone the actions quoted but in point of fact and reciprocating your "dog with a bone" attitude, it does NOT prove that SCOTLAND invaded anyone for the reasons you quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_invasions_of_England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_involving_the_Kingdom_of_Scotland

You responded to my joke post to say Scotland hadn't done the things mentioned. Scotland is part of the UK, as they were in the days of the Raj, and were therefore complicit. As detailed in the links, Scots were highly involved in fact. Am I wrong?

 

[maltaseagull]

You responded to my joke post to say Scotland hadn't done the things mentioned. Scotland is part of the UK, as they were in the days of the Raj, and were therefore complicit. As detailed in the links, Scots were highly involved in fact. Am I wrong?

Did Scotland INVADE was the point. Therefore you are.

 

[Bakero]

Did Scotland INVADE was the point. Therefore you are.

Right, so the Scottish soldiers just wandered in on a whim

Is your aim to absolve Scotland of guilt, strip the Scots of their agency or just to try and win an argument based on semantics?

Whatever it is, my initial point seems to have been missed.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

I think this thread illustrates that an objective study of the empire should be an essential part of the school curriculum.

 

[Brovion]

When commentators decry a bad tackle do you shout at the TV that there have been other bad tackles elsewhere?

No of course not, but you (and Swansman's posts) are getting off the point I was making. You, quite correctly, asked why people get so 'fragile' when the sins of the British Empire are pointed out. I agree. We, the modern British people, should have no 'personal guilt' when it comes to the Empire. We shouldn't mind when its sins are pointed out (it wasn't us), and also we have absolutely no need to apologise for it (it wasn't us).

(Sorry, I only put your points in quote marks to illustrate them. I agree with you, it's just that there are two sides to that coin).

 

[Bakero]

No of course not, but you (and Swansman's posts) are getting off the point I was making. You, quite correctly, asked why people get so 'fragile' when the sins of the British Empire are pointed out. I agree. We, the modern British people, should have no 'personal guilt' when it comes to the Empire. We shouldn't mind when its sins are pointed out (it wasn't us), and also we have absolutely no need to apologise for it (it wasn't us).

(Sorry, I only put your points in quote marks to illustrate them. I agree with you, it's just that there are two sides to that coin).

I agree with you. However, I'm not sure why people feel the need to defend modern day Brits on a thread where no one is accusing them of anything. Hence, my comment on fragility.

 

[maltaseagull]

Right, so the Scottish soldiers just wandered in on a whim

Is your aim to absolve Scotland of guilt, strip the Scots of their agency or just to try and win an argument based on semantics?

Whatever it is, my initial point seems to have been missed.

I really have no idea what your agenda is here. I am not absolving anyone. Just trying to point out that you were incorrect. (Perish the thought)

 

[Bakero]

I really have no idea what your agenda is here. I am not absolving anyone. Just trying to point out that you were incorrect. (Perish the thought)

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Ok, buddy. Have a nice evening

 

[maltaseagull]

Ok, buddy. Have a nice evening

You too.

 

[Bakero]

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[OzMike]

Chicken Madras and Bombay Potatoes from the Empire Tandoori on the Lewes Road, divine, it was worth it.