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Nigel Farage MEP v Russell Brand - Question Time BBC1 22:35 *** Official Match Thread ***
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Seagull on the wing
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Couldn't have put that better...100% agree.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Seagull on the wing
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Par the course Dave...show me one political party that has not been involved in a scandal of rent boys,affairs,dodgy expense claims,corruption...all parties do it, so to marginalise one is for a scandal is being rather selective to suit your political views.
aolstudios
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But he'd already exposed more than once for being a complete corrupt wrong'un. Yet the kippers welcomed him with open arms (due to his reality tv profile). Really couldn't've been a surprise
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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If you're going to play that game then let's compare like with like. If you're going to rail against capitalism and laissez-faire economics in action in the real world (as you have done repeatedly in the past) then I think it's fair to compare that against socialism in its many guises that has been tried and failed many times in many countries. If you're going to claim that communism hasn't had a proper chance then I could counter that neither has the pure libertarian model. It's hypocritical for socialists to moan about capitalism practised in social democracies unless they acknowledge that socialism has a tendency towards totalitarianism.
My own view is that right-wing concepts such as individualism and personal freedom (those innate human qualities that socialism doesn't like very much) are the very things that act as a check on the unbridled socialism that then leads to all these terror states. In other words communism has never and will never work because it goes against human nature. The same human nature that makes someone like Russell Brand, who moans about inequality of wealth and how selfish big corporations are, surround himself with nice shiny things rather than figure out what he really needs and give the rest to the needy.
daveinprague
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Of course, I dont disagree, I just posted that link in ref to what Brightonfella was saying.
' lets face it anything has got to be better than the current pile of crap we are faced with, who instead of serving us (the people) are serving their own pockets instead and have been doing so since the creation of parliament itself'
Everybody knows it goes on, I doubt if there are many walks of life where it doesnt, but UKIP being different in this respect? I dont believe so.
Buzzer
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I'd agree and add that Russell Brand is equally a wrong 'un. He's clearly a narcissist with dubious moral values (especially when it comes to women) and as Bry Nylon said, he's incredibly shallow substituting verbosity for substance. Look at the people he surrounds himself with: Mo Ansar for instance. Seriously...just google "Mo Ansar liar" and see what comes up...time and time again, he's been exposed and still this is someone that Brand loves to quote as a serious academic reference. Owen Jones is another.
I'm really not sure if Brand has been seduced by his own hype or if he is playing a game but anyone who backs Russell Brand just because he's seen to be anti-disestablishment is making as big a mistake as someone voting UKIP for the same reasons.
beorhthelm
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how is it possible to seem to understand the socialism/capitialism symbiosis (capitialism pays for socialism, which guides capitialism), then abruptly turn about to such a ridiculous conclusion. as if you cant bring yourself to acknowledge the reality. its patently absurd to say we have "socialism for the rich" when the rich dont need welfare, privately educate and use private healthcare.
beorhthelm
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which is a nonsence example as this was done to shore up the economy and protect everyone from Mrs Brown the pensioner to Mr Brooks the company director. social support isnt being taken away from regular people, who are those in regular full time work and not in receipt of social support.
brighton fella
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im not saying they are any different at all.. all I am saying is they are streets ahead of the current pile of crap.
oh & for such a feared and dangerous party as some of you lefties would suggest UKIP are "even comparing UKIP to a Nazi party ffs" you tell me whereabouts UKIP stood in the Iraq war.. afghan war.. Syrian intervention.. Libyan intervention.. Ukraine crisis and so on and so on. ? what is their stance regards all of these pointless missions ? come back and tell me that they are still dangerous when you've looked it all up.
Unfortunately it is a case of close eyes, stick fingers in ears and sing loudly La La La. These stances do not make good print in the tabloids.
Hastings gull
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You may not like this, but OH yes you did! The contradiction in your last para would seem to be further evidence! You said that America is a despicable country - only now are you attempting to draw a distinction between the people and the government, as if somehow they are separate entities. Plus, of course, the usual arrogance -the American government is one of the evils of the world, you say, which you describe as an objective truth. Objective ? -that is your highly debatable opinion, my friend, and is no way objective!
I do fully agree with your middle para about UKIP, by the way, and in fact have agreed with what you have written of late describing UKIP, but I am referring to your description some time before of their supporters being far right.
By the way, why don't you like having to defend yourself? You are asked to defend your views, which is what a forum is all about. Would I be right in saying that you just don't like being questioned and disagreed with?
Hastings gull
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Hello Mustafa,
Just looked again -you are right in that you did not describe the supporters of UKIp as far right -someone else did, so apologies on that score -only! You did, however, write:
The USA in general is just a horrible nation.
Just looked again -you are right in that you did not describe the supporters of UKIp as far right -someone else did, so apologies on that score -only! You did, however, write:
The USA in general is just a horrible nation.
brighton fella
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there isn't a nation in the world that is horrible..it's the b*stards who control em who are
Strange thing is that many slate the USA, and some have used quite nasty terms. Not a great fan of the American way myself, but i do wonder what the posters would be called if the same was stated about countries in the Middle East or Asia.
pastafarian
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Disappointingly it wasnt Russell Brands mum
It seems she is Bunny La Roche
Bit of a rent a mob activist with links to various socialist activist groups.And by all accounts has form for being a plank.
http://nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/laroche-supported-race-play-sex-leader.html
http://socialistunity.com/swp-demand-stoke-anti-fascists-pay-1800/
the first article makes for quite bizarre reading,i never knew these groups like UAF,SWP and ISN were so deeply divided
That first article is a real eye opener. With her blue hair and known past she was obviously known when the audience was vetted. Seems to me that her being a known UKIP hater she was brought in to cause damage, which begs to differ that the audience is balanced.
If she is like many of the left/swp/uaf etc, at demos, and sadly she is fairly typical, then we can see where a lot of trouble starts.
pastafarian
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perhaps the blue hair was a disguise? (grabbing at straws)......you may well have a point,blows my balanced audience standpoint out of the water........brighton fella is going to have my guts for garters.