Nigel Farage MEP v Russell Brand - Question Time BBC1 22:35 *** Official Match Thread ***

[Deleted member 22389]

Let's get to the real argument, the fact that 260,000 people coming to this country every year is far too many. The main political parties need to stop lying and get this sorted out.

That's the people that are counted, and doesn't include the people who arrive here illegally.
What a complete shambles this whole system is, no thanks in part to stupid open EU borders.

 

[Hastings gull]

I assume that this is a joke too ? or, have you falied to read posts by others and myself before replying ?

I have followed the debate intently and read everything. I like to read all shades of opinion, and that is the point, my friend; we air our opinions. It is when you arrogantly decide that your opinion is fact, (and, of course others could not possibly be so)when a challenge needs to be made. Your opinion is as important as others in a forum, but don't tell me that it is fact simply because it happens to be your conviction.

 

[brighton fella]

That is not what i am saying at all,please read my original post,i was simply describing different styles of debating,sitting attentively listening to all sides put their point across and not screaming like the blue haired mad woman is not the same as going to sleep by any means.

I do not know about westdene but yes i would say i am right wing in the political spectrum,you should not automatically however expect "an opinion" because of that.That is one of the major problems we have in this country with politics,the expectation the way you are supposed to think because you lean either to the left or right.

I have opinions on other matters people would class as liberal. I just gave an opinion that i dont believe the question time audience is biased towards left wingers,it only appears that way for the reasons i gave.For what its worth i feel some of its political reporting often contains obvious left wing bias .The BBC however is my first place of reference on any major global issues,their reporting on these matters far outstrips anything you get from any other English Language news broadcaster.

it would be fair to say we agree to differ on the point you made about the bbc, I only wish I had your confidence in em, shame but I don't trust them in any way shape or form...never have never will.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

so you are saying whilst the vile ugly loon with the coloured hair was polluting the atmosphere with her enormous vile trap all of the right wingers at that particular time had all gone to sleep apart from one loan disabled fella. yeh righto. just like the time someone got up and aired his views about immigrants which didn't go down to well amongst the rest of the audience who were all heckling the poor lad which consequently led to him upping and leaving the studio for good before being further humiliated for his troubles.

I fail to see what you and this westdene fella have to gain from this to be honest, I presumed you both to be slightly right in which case I'd expect a completely different opinion...an opinion shared by most right wingers.. in-fact almost 100% tbh..an opinion which is true and not full of left wing bias.
i guess the pair of you aint joking either. never mind.

I would class myself being on the right side of politics but doesn't mean I automatically disagree with views from the left or centre. I've voted Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green and UKIP in the past. You obviously have every right to an opinion on the QT audience but having been involved in the process I fail to see any bias. Indeed, the one I went to, shortly before filming Dimbleby came out to give a quick speech and asked for a quick show of hands on peoples political allegiances and the split was very even.

 

[brighton fella]

I would class myself being on the right side of politics but doesn't mean I automatically disagree with views from the left or centre. I've voted Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green and UKIP in the past. You obviously have every right to an opinion on the QT audience but having been involved in the process I fail to see any bias. Indeed, the one I went to, shortly before filming Dimbleby came out to give a quick speech and asked for a quick show of hands on peoples political allegiances and the split was very even.

all I can say is the folk leaning towards the right were very low key quiet & feeble in making their points be known.
you voted THE GREENS...f*ck me that is a contrast.. not what I would ever see myself doing do but each to their own I suppose, you are entitled your own view just like anyone else.
we live in a democracy so it is only right that all political voices should be heard... not a federalist state like the EU are creating where their word counts and nobody else's matters.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

all I can say is the folk leaning towards the right were very low key quiet & feeble in making their points be known.
you voted THE GREENS...f*ck me that is a contrast.. not what I would ever see myself doing do but each to their own I suppose, you are entitled your own view just like anyone else.
we live in a democracy so it is only right that all political voices should be heard... not a federalist state like the EU are creating where their word counts and nobody else's matters.

I'm one of the rarities - a true floating voter. That said I will never vote Lib Dem again and it might be a while before I even consider the Greens.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

you think being British is to be tolerant of intolerant people? er no... thats why we fought a war! Compassionate to racists? Open to facists? Get a grip... Being British means not only upholding those values but being willing to fight for them when we see oppression. Fool.

what oppression, you would let any old tom dick or Harry in , your type are more of a threat to this country
regards
DR

 

[brighton fella]

racist never think they are racist..
homophobes rarely realise they are homophobic..
sexist men rarely understand they are sexist..

what an absolute load of crap.
stereotype of a typical leftie and it fits perfectly, you do your side no favours whatsoever.

 

[brighton fella]

There is only one side - humanity.

Let's not get too caught up on single issues and let that divide us, because there will only be one winner - Westminster and elites that they serve.

there will always be divide amongst us all the time you have idiots like that.

 

[The Spanish]

Let's get to the real argument, the fact that 260,000 people coming to this country every year is far too many. The main political parties need to stop lying and get this sorted out.

That's the people that are counted, and doesn't include the people who arrive here illegally.
What a complete shambles this whole system is, no thanks in part to stupid open EU borders.

It's ok though as they haven't hit Sussex yet so you can cover yourself in glory by claiming you don't mind at all.

 

[brighton fella]

The left and right are as bad as each other in that respect.

We need to remind each other that we all share common goals - whether it's reducing immigration or inequality. So let's not get too caught up on which "sides" we're on - let's unite and take the fight to Westminster!

that I'd fully agree on but not under Russell brands terms, I have my own revolution in way of UKIP.
whether UKIP are your favourite cup of tea or not lets face it anything has got to be better than the current pile of crap we are faced with, who instead of serving us (the people) are serving their own pockets instead and have been doing so since the creation of parliament itself.

 

[daveinprague]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...om-Ukip-selection-as-expenses-questioned.html

 

[Deleted member 22389]

And this is why I shall be voting for UKIP
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30456785

And related to that
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eetheart-tax-deals-sullied-reputation-eu-head

Sooner people wake up to the EU the better. Stop telling people what to do.

 

[Soulman]

And this is why I shall be voting for UKIP
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30456785

And related to that
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eetheart-tax-deals-sullied-reputation-eu-head

Sooner people wake up to the EU the better. Stop telling people what to do.

The EU, rotten to the core. Let the UK make it's own decisions and save 55m a day to boot.

 

[Hastings gull]

It works both ways - the "righties" will use the same old mantras - "student politics" "communism has never worked" and so on

What we need is to have an honest, open debate where people respect and actually consider the opinions and ideas of others.

Immigration is a big problem everywhere, this is typically a right wing concern. Inequality is a big problem everywhere, this is typically a left wing concern... I believe that if we abandon our "sides" we can ultimately all agree on the best ways to solve these very serious problems.

You are certainly right in that the same old arguments are brought out time and time again. I think we would certainly find more agreement if we all met face to face over a beer at the Amex before a match, (yes, I know!!) instead of the relative anonymity afforded by the Internet. And, yes, the labels -left and right -probably serve to divide us even more that might actually be the case.
I rather thought that we are having an open debate, however, and with great respect, I am not sure that you are the right person to be leading such a charge to moderation. You are the one who thinks americans are despicable, CEOs do very little, all UKIP supporters are far right, and with such sweeping statements, reflecting your views, I would find it hard to accept that you would be able to compromise your beliefs to the extent that you demand of others.

 

[Bold Seagull]

And this is why I shall be voting for UKIP
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30456785

And related to that
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eetheart-tax-deals-sullied-reputation-eu-head

Sooner people wake up to the EU the better. Stop telling people what to do.

Which ironically will probably lead to a government least likely to leave the EU….

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Which ironically will probably lead to a government least likely to leave the EU….

I know what you are saying but UKIP is my only outlet. I know it will probably let Labour in which is what I don't want. I know its a moment, but what other options are there.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I know what you are saying but UKIP is my only outlet. I know it will probably let Labour in which is what I don't want. I know its a moment, but what other options are there.

None really. You vote hoping that the numbers of votes shows whoever does get in power that there is a public mandate for delivering a real referendum. So even if Labour get it, it wouldn't be a wasted vote if they gained enough support to show it's a topic that cannot be ignored.

 

[brighton fella]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...om-Ukip-selection-as-expenses-questioned.html

you get wronguns in every political party and UKIP are no exception... scrutinised in practically everything they do, rightly so and I hope the ex tory c*nt gets his comeuppance.
UKIP have pledged to stamp out this kind of nonsense, each elected mp has a responsibility to serve and answer to the public from his or her own represented constituency (not his or her own whip)...the people are the governor's not the politician's themselves, if anyone is known or seen to be corrupt he or she will be ousted straight away and replaced by someone of public choice without having to wait for the nearest election to crop up. regular referendums will take place on certain important issues... I could go on.
overall the average person benefits from UKIP'S fairer policy system where common sense is applied foremost... something you lot on the left fail to grasp.

 

[brighton fella]

This is a mixture of misinterpreting what I say and downright making it up.

I don't like having to defend myself on an internet forum, but this is clear defamation, so I'll reiterate my views for clarification.

- I think American people are fantastic, it is their government that is one of the great evils in the world. They are imperialist warmongers, they have formed a militarised police state full of brutality and intemperate incarceration rates, they are sustaining a nation of great inequality which is shocking considering the wealth at their disposal. I could go on - these are objective truths about the US government, the American people deserve better.

- I have never once said all UKIP voters are far-right, I have described the parties ideology as far right and I base this view on analysis of their roots and policies. I believe UKIP voters are largely regular people who just want drastic political change, like most of us do. Mostly they have identified the EU or immigration as serious problems which the main parties don't address - and they believe that UKIP can make a difference in that respect. I absolutely disagree that most UKIP voters are racist or even xenophobic, although I would imagine they have attracted some people who are, such as former BNP voters.

- I have never once said CEO's do very little, I have absolutely no idea where that came from. I perhaps may have criticised the CEO's of conglomerates and corporations, who will pay themselves millions for doing very little while their employees at the other end don't get living wage... and Paul Barber.

my view of America is no different, a corrupt as f*ck government led by the fed dictating to other nations how they ought to be run, why don't they keep their effin beaks out for once.