Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Throw this into your hypothetical situation, that Grabban was offered a better contract at Bournemouth so the runner up suggestion was the one that both manager and assistant agreed on.
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Throw this into your hypothetical situation, that Grabban was offered a better contract at Bournemouth so the runner up suggestion was the one that both manager and assistant agreed on.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
awh feck.......i would personally love Oscar to stay and as mentioned elsewhere ditch the TAFF , i'm sorry , i have no granite info but the guy has zero pedigree so i struggle to see how he wins the respect of the players ....there is something wrong in the team at the moment , morale would appear to be shot.......at a critical part of the season...very strange..!
Miami Seagull
Grandad
I think OG would do well in the premiership. His preferred style of play will be much more suited there than it is in the Championship. IMHO, he is not the manager to get us out of this league. For me, if the story has some truth, it would be a win-win for us and whoever gets him.
nwgull
Well-known member
There wasn't really a runner up though was there - we got a loaner in to see us through. The money is, I hope, being saved until the summer when there'll be far more time, more players out of contract, and we won't be able to be held to ransom by a championship striker and his agent.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
it is my understanding that OG is the head coach(and I am not having a go here) and pointedly not the manager and maybe that is where the problem lies
to many coaches and no one managing
Well if you take four away from five you generally end up with one. Striker or no striker. Deal or no deal. The fact is that we lost Barnes and gained Obika. The supposition is no one apart from Jones rated Obika. I'm not stating any of this as fact. Merely using it as a tool to illustrate how we could end up with players the head coach wasn't happy with.
Pavilionaire
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Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
My wife says to my kids - "What doe you want to eat - it's pizza or sausage and beans". My kids choose pizza - technically they have the last word. The fact they really wanted fish fingers and were told to eff off doesn't come into it.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
spot on
and you are right he is the head coach not the manager .............we don't have one of those
Baldseagull
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I don't think any club signs players they don't think are good enough, but every club ends up with a few that don't make the grade.
I am very happy with Ward, Upson, Dale Stephens, Lingard, and Chicksen has looked ok, Jury out on Rodriguez.
On the down side, Kemy is looking a bad buy, but it isn't his ability thats poor, Andrews is fairly average, Obika was a poor deal for everyone, and Lita did not get used but I am not sure he was a bad loan signing.
I don't know if there is a separate scouting team for development squad players but Ince, March and Walton are fairly recent additions that we should all be well pleased with.
The Large One
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Burke's list is Europe-wide.
The Large One
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If, in your scenario, Grabban is who OG wants (while at the same time, he doesn't want Obika), Jones' point of view becomes immaterial.
However, if Oscar is prepared to believe Jones' opinion about Obika (though I don't believe for a second that it was only Jones' opinion that was sought when acquiring him), he might well run with it. It doesn't follow that Jones had the final say.
So Oscar has the final say in who the club attempts to acquire - what's your point?
fosters headband
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Exactly
New players to the club this season:
Craig Conway, Leroy Lita, Adem Chicksen, Stephen Ward, Keith Andrews, Kemy Agustein, Jonathon Obika, David Sanchez, Dale Stephens, Jeffrey Monkana and Jesse Lingard.
Which of these are the pizza/sausage and which of these are the fish fingers?
I cant really believe any of those are in the fish finger class.
The Large One
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Sorry - a public statement from the Chairman and from the Director of Football doesn't mean anything?
fosters headband
Well-known member
Meaning what?
Oscar might do OK at Swansea where the "Barcelona" way has been played for a long time and they have some players capable of playing it. Not so sure about Norwich.
The problem with him at Brighton is that we are trying to play a very technical system with players who are not good enough. Watching Gordon Greer at Barnsley on Saturday spraying the ball around the park like he was blindfolded is all the proof you need of this. And he's our captain.
We would be more productive playing 4-4-2. We might let more goals in but we'd score more as well, and goals excite fans, give them value for their money (a lot of money) and might help create an atmosphere inside the AmEx rather than the embarrassing library silence we're getting these days (not from the North Stand but everywhere else). I felt it under Poyet, and it's the same with Oscar - our players are frightened of losing possession, and for this reason we attack in a ponderous, building fashion, rather than really going after teams, and this doesn't yield enough of a return. Only six clubs in the league have scored fewer goals than us. I know we've been unlucky with injuries, and we really miss Bridcutt (name one player who looks like a leader out there now), but either bring in the players who are capable of playing like Barcelona, or bring in a manager who is capable of playing like Leicester or Burnley. And who looks like he cares instead of standing there with his hands in his pockets and never talking to any of his players.
This was in a BBC article on ten factors behind Leicester's promotion:
"In an era when confusing formations, meticulous planning, complicated systems and tactics and endless statistical analysis are seen as way to guarantee success, Pearson's side seems to benefit from mixing the no-stone-unturned, behind-the-scenes approach with stunningly simple but effective tactics. The 4-4-2 has worked wonders for most of the season, providing a solid spine and the basis for their success. A confident and very loud goalkeeper, strong and imposing centre-backs, a solid dependable midfield with more than a little quality - and plenty of pace and nous out wide and up front. Simple but effective."
The problem with him at Brighton is that we are trying to play a very technical system with players who are not good enough. Watching Gordon Greer at Barnsley on Saturday spraying the ball around the park like he was blindfolded is all the proof you need of this. And he's our captain.
We would be more productive playing 4-4-2. We might let more goals in but we'd score more as well, and goals excite fans, give them value for their money (a lot of money) and might help create an atmosphere inside the AmEx rather than the embarrassing library silence we're getting these days (not from the North Stand but everywhere else). I felt it under Poyet, and it's the same with Oscar - our players are frightened of losing possession, and for this reason we attack in a ponderous, building fashion, rather than really going after teams, and this doesn't yield enough of a return. Only six clubs in the league have scored fewer goals than us. I know we've been unlucky with injuries, and we really miss Bridcutt (name one player who looks like a leader out there now), but either bring in the players who are capable of playing like Barcelona, or bring in a manager who is capable of playing like Leicester or Burnley. And who looks like he cares instead of standing there with his hands in his pockets and never talking to any of his players.
This was in a BBC article on ten factors behind Leicester's promotion:
"In an era when confusing formations, meticulous planning, complicated systems and tactics and endless statistical analysis are seen as way to guarantee success, Pearson's side seems to benefit from mixing the no-stone-unturned, behind-the-scenes approach with stunningly simple but effective tactics. The 4-4-2 has worked wonders for most of the season, providing a solid spine and the basis for their success. A confident and very loud goalkeeper, strong and imposing centre-backs, a solid dependable midfield with more than a little quality - and plenty of pace and nous out wide and up front. Simple but effective."
Pavilionaire
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Have you never heard of the "The Dreaded Chairman's Vote Of Confidence"?
Board members tend to do their best work in the boardroom behind closed doors. When they're quiet things tend to be going well. It's when make public statements that I start to worry.
Fairly much what I said to Thunderbolt. Final say in who they attempt to acquire and who they end up bringing in is different. If all your first choices fall through you can end up left with Hobson's Choice. Besides you didn't say attempt to acquire in your first post, you said "final say".
seagullsovergrimsby
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I think Obika was probably at the top of Burke's most wanted list before Oscar was even appointed. We were after a season long loan knowing CMS and Hoskins would be out of action for most of the season. Obika picked up an injury which meant we didn't get him on loan until January and so we endured the disappointment of Lita being a failure too.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
great first post
said it all along OG would love to play a system like Spain, problem is the players are not capable of that
players understand 4-4-2
The Large One
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It was at a fans' forum a few months ago he said that.