General Election 2017

pastafarian · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
Right how's that going to work?

"Sorry, that deal is no t good enough"

"Well that is the offer, you wanted out you get what you're offered"

"I don't want it"

"Fine. **** off"

Its called negotiation
Corbyn laying out his lines already saying frack me in any position you want i will agree to it is a ridiculous standpoint.

beorhthelm · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
Jesus wept. Clueless. This isn't poker.

no its Game Theory. you dont start out with a position that compromises potential gains for your side. the same reason the EU are coming out with all these conditions, they are establishing a baseline that is as close to remaining in the EU as possible.

Corbyn has sweet FA to do with it because he wont be negotiating anything, unless there is a freak result in the election, in which case with his SNP partners his position will be back out of Brexit.

The Clamp · May 30, 2017

Soulman said:
Fair enough, i bow to your superior knowledge. You really ought to become a top politician, you seem to know exactly what is going on, the thoughts of the PM, and more important the outcome of Brexit. Your input would be invaluable better than us mere posters who have a different view.

Sarcastic and pathetic response. Going on about your differing opinion doesn't make the fact you're wrong go away.

pastafarian · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
I didn't say I agree with the terms. You have just illustrated the fact nobody knew or knows exactly what will happen. It's a damned shame your lot didn't realise that before you got us into the shit!

I note you haven't answered what we are supposed to do if May doesn't accept the deal?

twit
we have been saying all along we wont know the final deal until it is finalised .....have you not been listening for the past 12 months

The Clamp · May 30, 2017

pastafarian said:
Its called negotiation
Corbyn laying out his lines already saying frack me in any position you want i will agree to it is a ridiculous standpoint.

Nope. You haven't answered the question. Or anything like it.

May says she will not accept a bad deal. What then? No use in blindly hoping she can negotiate her way out of a bad deal. What happens if May won't accept the final offer?

hans kraay fan club · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
Buzzer clings to this pathetic IRA conspiracy theory because as far as he is concerned it means not having to have any kind of sensible debate. Say something he doesn't like, he'll just pull out his "but, but, but the IRA".
I wouldn't bother engaging, he's a troll.

[MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION] is not a troll. He just clearly feels very strongly on this one issue. He's not bringing up the Corbyn-IRA stuff to avoid debating the rest. He's saying that the Corbyn-IRA stuff is so fundamentally important in HIS view, that it makes Corbyn unfit to rule, regardless of anything else.

Personally, I disagree with that viewpoint entirely, but he's fully entitled to it.

The Clamp · May 30, 2017

beorhthelm said:
no its Game Theory. you dont start out with a position that compromises potential gains for your side. the same reason the EU are coming out with all these conditions, they are establishing a baseline that is as close to remaining in the EU as possible.

Corbyn has sweet FA to do with it because he wont be negotiating anything, unless there is a freak result in the election, in which case with his SNP partners his position will be back out of Brexit.

"Game theory" "poker" "cards close to chest".

These are exactly the terms we should not be thinking in.

pastafarian · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
I note you haven't answered what we are supposed to do if May doesn't accept the deal?

More importantly you yet again refuse to answer some basics

ECJ....in or out?
Free Movement .....yes or no?
membership of Internal Market.....yes or no
Customs Union......yes or no

can it be really that hard for you people to answer what we voted for.

The Clamp · May 30, 2017

hans kraay fan club said:
[MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION] is not a troll. He just clearly feels very strongly on this one issue. He's not bringing up the Corbyn-IRA stuff to avoid debating the rest. He's saying that the Corbyn-IRA stuff is so fundamentally important in HIS view, that it makes Corbyn unfit to rule, regardless of anything else.

Personally, I disagree with that viewpoint entirely, but he's fully entitled to it.

I disagree.

Lincoln Imp · May 30, 2017

Jim D said:
This may mean that we walk away from the negotiations rather than agree to a deal that is bad for us.

It has been said before but one of the practical effects of going for the No Deal option would be, according to one of the leading academics of the Leave campaign, the 'virtual elimination' of British manufacturing. Food production - ie farming - would also be devastated. This is a Leave view, not a Remain one.

I am astonished by the practical cruelty of the Europhobe fantastists, including some on here.

The Clamp · May 30, 2017

pastafarian said:
More importantly you yet again refuse to answer some basics

ECJ....in or out?
Free Movement .....yes or no?
membership of Internal Market.....yes or no
Customs Union......yes or no

can it be really that hard for you people to answer what we voted for.

I have already provided my answer. I don't agree with the terms hard and soft Brexit , they are meaningless, so I won't be applying them to any of the above areas.

I haven't got a clue what you voted for. More tragically, neither do you.

hans kraay fan club · May 30, 2017

pastafarian said:
More importantly you yet again refuse to answer some basics

ECJ....in or out?
Free Movement .....yes or no?
membership of Internal Market.....yes or no
Customs Union......yes or no

can it be really that hard for you people to answer what we voted for.

Yes. Very hard indeed, given that prominent members of the Leave campaign were advocating a magical 'Leave EU / keep free movement' outcome, right up to the polling.

pastafarian · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
I have already provided my answer. I don't agree with the terms hard and soft Brexit , they are meaningless, so I won't be applying them to any of the above areas.

I haven't got a clue what you voted for. More tragically, neither do you.

i know exactly what i voted for
im not surprised you admit to being clueless in this area though. This is a common theme in the remain camp

Soulman · May 30, 2017

The Clamp said:
Sarcastic and pathetic response. Going on about your differing opinion doesn't make the fact you're wrong go away.

It is your way or nothing eh. You really are so far up your own asshole you could clean your teeth. I believe i am not wrong as do 52% of the voters, and your higher than mighty attitude, not listening, never wrong........is why your EU view, and political view both came out as losers.

pastafarian · May 30, 2017

hans kraay fan club said:
Yes. Very hard indeed, given that prominent members of the Leave campaign were advocating a magical 'Leave EU / keep free movement' outcome, right up to the polling.

Crumbs there were 100`s of prominent members of Leave EU......how many have you identified?

Guinness Boy · May 30, 2017

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Soulman said:
I am afraid through the Labour years it was frowned upon to be patriotic, even in school sports day winning was dumbed down. Whilst other countries were proudly flying their flag ours was frowned upon. Like the events that have happened of late, others are more important than our own it seems.

Hearsay and supposition based on your own prejudices. Please let us know the central Labour government (that means Westminster) legislation that made games non competitive & devalued our flag. Do make sure to mention if the flag involved was the Union flag or flag of St George. You have all day & the internet is yours. Go....

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The Clamp · May 30, 2017

Soulman said:
It is your way or nothing eh. You really are so far up your own asshole you could clean your teeth. I believe i am not wrong as do 52% of the voters, and your higher than mighty attitude, not listening, never wrong........is why your EU view, and political view both came out as losers.

Incorrect. Again. Happy to listen to some Leave voters. There's about 4 on here though who are consistently wrong, abusive, and ill informed. You are one of them. You're utter crap about flags and sports days is a good example of this.

The Clamp · May 30, 2017

pastafarian said:
i know exactly what i voted for
im not surprised you admit to being clueless in this area though. This is a common theme in the remain camp

Are you 12?

pastafarian · May 30, 2017

Guinness Boy said:
Hearsay and supposition based on your own prejudices. Please let us know the central Labour government (that means Westminster) legislation that made games non competitive & devalued our flag. Do make sure to mention if the flag involved was the Union flag or flag of St George. You have all day & the internet is yours. Go....

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If a prominent labour politician sneers at the English flag and in essence tries to devalue it and makes national headlines for doing so does that count?

Soulman · May 30, 2017

Guinness Boy said:
Hearsay and supposition based on your own prejudices. Please let us know the central Labour government (that means Westminster) legislation that made games non competitive & devalued our flag. Do make sure to mention if the flag involved was the Union flag or flag of St George. You have all day & the internet is yours. Go....

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Take your pick

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=L...t=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=fjotWcrpB_LGXqLeuIgJ

https://ecpr.eu/Filestore/PaperProposal/f39fc7ec-f40c-4f36-9e4d-d8116c625f63.pdf

The flag take your pick.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=l...#q=labour+hates+nationalism+and+national+flag

The internet is yours, you have all day........go.....

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