I rarely agree with your posts, but as I posted a few pages back, this seems a very real outcome. However where I do disagree is the word "fear". I think the fear should be after yesterday's result.
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French Election - Hope wins over hate
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I rarely agree with your posts, but as I posted a few pages back, this seems a very real outcome. However where I do disagree is the word "fear". I think the fear should be after yesterday's result.
spring hall convert
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Interesting point. I haven't seen any information on this so just googled it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23899195
On the broader point, I think it depends on how well Europe does economically. More prosperous times may offset/suppress likely growing cultural tensions but when the wheels eventually fall off I think it will end badly.
I hadn't read that specific article but "The United Nations (UN) estimates that in 2008 20 million people were displaced by climate change." is pretty stark.
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Just two things -
1. protecting the security, safety and culture of your country first in ways which are the most likely to antagonise those who are most likely to do it damage is not necessarily common sense, and
2. Macron has been elected on a centrist ticket, but on a promise of massive cuts in public spending and so on and so forth, but at the same time cutting unemployment heavily - I haven't got time to look up the details. He doesn't have the MPs to enable him to do it, perhaps, but he does want to change things.
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Oh, do stop with the protestations. I've quoted you twice in this thread where you've clearly insinuated that the Brexiteers are FN supporters and de facto supporters of a racist party.
Who's more likely to inflame racial tensions and cause more problems? Would certainly be more fearful if Le Pen had got in.
Indeed, pretty worrying.35% of French voters chose a NATIONAL FRONT candidate.
That leave.eu tweet is bizarre. Saying that France surrendered again. The thing that confuses me is that this time they rejected fascism. Wouldn't it have been a surrender to fascism as per 1940 if they had voted for le pen? Am I missing something here?
Given the vote was two thirds to a third and people think that in five years le pen will get in then doesn't that suggest a vote that was never binding which was split 52 48 deserves another go in a couple of years......tin hat grabbed.
Given the vote was two thirds to a third and people think that in five years le pen will get in then doesn't that suggest a vote that was never binding which was split 52 48 deserves another go in a couple of years......tin hat grabbed.
You're saying the clueless French voted in Macron?
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Utterly barmy. Virtually the entire world accepts that there are parallels between what drives the populist movements in different parts of the western world. If you want to disagree with all that, fine - why not set up a discussion group of like-minded individuals to talk over the details? I know a vacant phone box.
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Or maybe I'll just disagree with you here. I'm proof that your claims of parallels with Brexiteers and NF supporters are specious generalisations at best. It sounds like it's you that needs to stick your head out of your little echo chamber. Your habit of dropping people into neat little boxes might make it easier for you to jump to your ludicrous conclusions but it really doesn't help anyone.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
No answers for this post yet?
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Fair enough, you have every right to think that there are no parallels between, say, Le Pen's underlying message to the French people and UKIP's message to the British. You also have every right to claim that I am calling you a racist.
Green Cross Code Man
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I would say that the most troubling areas of eu interference are in the future. That is if it continues with its mantra of ever-closer union which would result in a common foreign policy and army. This policy is proving unpopular in any case whether in Britain or in the eu so perhaps the eu will respond to calls from Macron etc that major reform is necessary. Luckily, previous governments in Britain negotiated various opt-outs but we were still net contributors to a project that was not widely admired here. I think the eu has made some good laws and most probably some bad but it was where it was heading that was the major problem.
Buzzer
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Not everyone who voted Brexit is a UKIP supporter. That there is one of your big mistakes. You seem to think Brexit and UKIP are interchangeable. I would have thought my comments about Le Pen and Farage would have made that blindingly obvious that it ain't necessarily so.
nicko31
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Yeap global warming is the main game going forward, and will have a profound on effect immigration for decades to come. The worse drought in 900 years contributed to the war in Syria.
But a lot of the UKIP style bigots are simply too old to care about this stuff
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lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
So, thats still a no then
If the poster is, let's say not bright enough to realise that UKIP had just over 4 million voters, yet over 17million voted out, then there is little hope.
Who is the bigot?.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Then perhaps I was the wrong person to answer. Since I was a child I have watched the eu morph from a common market to something more integrated, that is in spite of all the protestations from Jacques Delores onwards that this would not be the end goal. Lies upon lies. Doesn't mean I oppose all that the eu has done, but I dislike the lack of local accountability, the huge wastage and policies like the CAP which was a massive gravy train to undeserving farmers (not all farmers are undeserving!) The march towards a superstate is alarming and without modern precedent. Moving towards such 'big' and unaccountable government is very dangerous and has been, along other factors, one of the main fuels for the rise in populism and nationalism. I do not think the eu project will end peacefully if it continues to integrate and does not heed the warning signs.
BrickTamland
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Protecting their borders from people born in or already residing in France. This line of argument always confuses me given the evidence available about those who have committed the more recent well known attacks. To be honest I don't know how much affect closing borders will or won't have on terror levels, here or in France but it is clear much much more work needs to be done in social terms about the inner workings of the countries and cultures themselves (not just border policy or banning burkas), something I wouldn't trust Farage, Le Pen or any other far right leaders to be in charge of. A small caveat to that last point would be that for what it's worth I don't really trust many on the current political scene with that responsibility